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Izo Fazo 05-08-2007 04:02 PM

Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
Sorry but I canīt find a hand converter for absolute.

Villian is like 27/11 over 100 hands. AF by street 3/3/11

STAGE #651808913: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $1 - 2007-05-08 14:14:42 (ET)
Table: CRAWFORD ST (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - NUNIE14 ($162.30 in chips)
Seat 4 - Hero ($253.35 in chips)
Seat 5 - SKARE ($70 in chips)
Seat 6 - IAMMAVERICK ($223.85 in chips)
Seat 1 - LEOSTE ($200.10 in chips)
Hero - Posts small blind $0.50
SKARE - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Js As]
IAMMAVERICK - Raises $3 to $3
LEOSTE - Folds
NUNIE14 - Raises $7 to $7
Hero - Calls $6.50
SKARE - Folds
IAMMAVERICK - Calls $4
*** FLOP *** [8d Ac Jh]
hero - Checks
IAMMAVERICK - Checks
NUNIE14 - Checks
*** TURN *** [8d Ac Jh] [2h]
hero - Bets $14
IAMMAVERICK - Folds
NUNIE14 - Raises $28 to $28
Hero - Calls $14
*** RIVER *** [8d Ac Jh 2h] [6d]
Hero - Bets $47
NUNIE14 - Raises $94 to $94

Commemnts on all streets appreciated. Thanks!

Hand converter for absolute???

ikestoys 05-08-2007 04:05 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/

flytrap 05-08-2007 04:08 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
After it gets reraised PF, I fold, since I'm OOP.

birdman6fo 05-08-2007 04:09 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
I would definitely fold this preflop

ThePuma 05-08-2007 04:11 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
shove

joeblack 05-08-2007 04:16 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
Don't call his raise on the turn and then fire the river, that is stupid.

*** TURN *** [8d Ac Jh] [2h]
hero - Bets $14
IAMMAVERICK - Folds
NUNIE14 - Raises $28 to $28
Hero - Calls $14
*** RIVER *** [8d Ac Jh 2h] [6d]
Hero - Bets $47
NUNIE14 - Raises $94 to $94


I recommend 3-betting the turn to find out where your at, if he 4 bets fold.

jd2b2006 05-08-2007 04:17 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
Seeing as how the pfr basically minreraised preflop, checked the flop, and now is minraising the turn and the river, you have to fold the river. With his weird action, I might consider folding the turn.

mark_foley 05-08-2007 04:42 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
I might c/c the river but I am not folding.

Logun 05-08-2007 04:48 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
Fold this hand Preflop. you are OOP and probably dominated by 1 if not both players.

on the flop I assume you were going for the c/r but didn't get it.

However you lead the turn, get min raised and just decide to call. Here's where you are screwed. 3 bet him on this turn. Why would some one RE-raise preflop, check a flopped Ace in position, yet min raise the turn? If he's an idiot bluffing then you aren't going to get any more value out of him on the river unless he hit's his 2 outer. So you might as well 3 bet him here and then you don't have to worry about that.

carnivalhobo 05-08-2007 04:53 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
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I recommend 3-betting the turn to find out where your at, if he 4 bets fold.

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i recommend you never ever do this.

AbreuTime 05-08-2007 04:59 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
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However you lead the turn, get min raised and just decide to call. Here's where you are screwed. 3 bet him on this turn. Why would some one RE-raise preflop, check a flopped Ace in position, yet min raise the turn? If he's an idiot bluffing then you aren't going to get any more value out of him on the river unless he hit's his 2 outer. So you might as well 3 bet him here and then you don't have to worry about that.

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I disagree with this. If he is bluffing, you do not want to 3bet the turn and blow him away. If he has a set, you do not want to 3bet the turn and then fold to a 4bet. That is costly information. Based on the weird way he played the hand: with a small 3bet pf, check behind on flop, and minraise on turn, I am not 3betting this turn ever. Total spew.

River seems like a c/c to me, although I may c/f occassionally. This could be AK sometimes, as well as a flopped set. Most hands (that you beat) that call your river donkbet will bet it themselves, and all hands that beat you will raise. No one will bluff raise here. Seems like an easy check.

Some9 05-08-2007 05:09 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
turn miniraise is like AA only.
mix in some AK and JJ and you ar still behind.

either fold turn or c/f river, against the turn raise your hand is basically a bluff cather and no one bluff-miniraises like this.

jd2b2006 05-08-2007 05:34 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
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I might c/c the river but I am not folding.

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What worse hand is villain betting on the river given the action thus far?

AMT 05-08-2007 05:48 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
id fold pf and c/c the river as played. based on his aggression factor pattern I think this can be an overplayed AQ/AK a good amount of the time. I think without a good read your hand has enough merit to see a showdown (in hand strength and based on action so far) but a c/c is the best way to accomplish that when unsure of your hand strength here.

Izo Fazo 05-08-2007 06:31 PM

Re: Top two get minraised twice!?!
 
thanks for the replies. The reason I called pf was that both villians were 200bb deep and not that good, as far as i know.

I called, he showed JJ!


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