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fathazam 05-06-2007 01:09 AM

Did I play this very badly?
 
Well this guy had been raising almost every other hand so I decided to min raise him and see if he'd come back over or try to push me out when I had this hand. It isn't my normal style but didn't feel like it was that terrible as I figured i'd be heads up with him at worst even if he reraised. Normally I would have put about a 2.50 raise in but again.. trying to mix it up.

As far as his all in goes on the turn, I had such a wide range in my head of what his hands may have been that I can't say I put him on something specific.. but it could have been a donk drawing bluff or a set.. but the way I saw it i was drawing to 13 outs if he did have the set.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP2 ($68.30)
MP3 ($21.85)
CO ($53)
Button ($15.50)
SB ($29.65)
BB ($5.10)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($25)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($39.10)</font>
MP1 ($14.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.85</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.45</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.60.

Flop: ($3.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4.5</font>, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($12.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $19.05 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $19.05.

River: ($50.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $50.35

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has 9s 9c (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has Qd Ad (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $50.35. </font>


Any thoughts?

Fonkey123 05-06-2007 01:10 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
IMO that's fine.

bottomset 05-06-2007 01:27 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
I'd reraise preflop more

bet the flop more, generally shove over a raise

pterodactyl_ 05-06-2007 01:28 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
I don't like PF with so many left to act but you said you wanted to mix it up so I guess its ok. I'd 3bet shove flop where you have a ton of equity.

Also, don'tpost the results, it can influence the way others think about the hand.

fathazam 05-06-2007 01:36 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
You guys are suggesting the shove over the raise because of tptk w/ the nut flush draw" If I didn't have the draw is this still a shove situation? What about if I didn't it tptk.. and it was AKs to the nut flush draw?

jhill3535 05-06-2007 02:24 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
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You guys are suggesting the shove over the raise because of tptk w/ the nut flush draw" If I didn't have the draw is this still a shove situation? What about if I didn't it tptk.. and it was AKs to the nut flush draw?

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TPTK with nut flush draw is almost always 3 bet allin on flop if at all possible. You are a favorite over most every hand except a set here. You are most likely ahead right there, but you have the best draw to fall back on. It is pretty much the same as an open ended straight flush draw or a wrap straight draw with flush draw in Omaha.

With the AKs I would play it a little slower most the time unless the villian is short or I feel that I have some FE as well.

Fonkey123 05-06-2007 02:32 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
Oh my bad preflop is bad. Just bet more.

Jay.Yang 05-06-2007 02:37 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
If you say you wanna mix up PF, it's fine. With the Flop like this, I would get my money in asap. 3-bet the Flop and call the shove if he did. As played, I prob fold the Turn, with 13 outs, do we have the odds to call?

jhill3535 05-06-2007 02:43 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
[ QUOTE ]
If you say you wanna mix up PF, it's fine. With the Flop like this, I would get my money in asap. 3-bet the Flop and call the shove if he did. As played, I prob fold the Turn, with 13 outs, do we have the odds to call?

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It is close if you are just puttin him on a set and that is all of the range you are giving him.

This is NL25 and I think top 2 is ahead here enough of the time without the draw to fall back on. I call all day and twice on weekend nights.

pterodactyl_ 05-06-2007 02:44 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
[ QUOTE ]
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If you say you wanna mix up PF, it's fine. With the Flop like this, I would get my money in asap. 3-bet the Flop and call the shove if he did. As played, I prob fold the Turn, with 13 outs, do we have the odds to call?

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It is close if you are just puttin him on a set and that is all of the range you are giving him.

This is NL25 and I think top 2 is ahead here enough of the time without the draw to fall back on. I call all day and twice on weekend nights.

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Right on

BlueBear 05-06-2007 04:12 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
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Normally I would have put about a 2.50 raise in but again..

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Shove on the flop, the "normal" play of putting a tiny reraise is not a good way to play this.

BigBadBabar 05-06-2007 05:24 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
wtf on pf and flop. on flop bet close to pot and shove over a raise.

lautzutao 05-06-2007 07:38 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
Since we're around 50% equity against a pair on this flop I would have 3-bet the flop and called a push. As played, do you think your 2pair is good here? Looks to me like you're drawing to a flush if he's pushing his stack in there. Then again if he's a bit reckless he could be doing this w/ A9 or something...tough spot.

EDIT: Being in the position you're at(EP w/ 7 left to speak), it's not the time to be fancy with your bet sizing PF. You have a read on villian which is fine, but minraising is not the way to go about isolating him. Raise a decent sized amount so that anyone 3-betting you will let you know they have a big hand and you can throw your hand away. You're begging for people to call that minraise in late position.

negtv capability 05-06-2007 09:24 AM

Re: Did I play this very badly?
 
You seem to have ID'd this villain as a douchebag. Once someone starts raising every other hand- you didn't mention how many hands this was over- they're either just really bad players who like to give money away, or they're on tilt and want to give money way. It's a good situation for you and I like the isolation move, not risking too much w/ AQs.
When you flop top pair, top kicker versus a villain of this sort- imo/ at .10-.25- you're trying to figure out how to get all their money in the pot. To top this off you have the nut flush draw. You want all of their chips in the pot. Considering the opponents aggression, it seems that your call of the raise on the flop was viewed by your opponent as a sign of weakness. He pushes on the turn- good. Your strategy worked, so I don't see how you could think it was bad.

Unless, you're afraid of trips, which it seems you are. I would have called the turn all-in w/out the flush draw, if I thought this guy was throwing chips around willy nilly. Yeah, he could have trips, but I'd think most likely he's being a douchebag.

Also, I'd have to have seen that his idiot aggression carried over post flop. This sort of behavior usually does.


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