My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

I believe this is my first post in this forum (brag, because I don't brag about brags).

I only played NL25 (had to make a big withdrawal from poker acct. after finishing college and moving to my own place). Of course this is the time I decide to have my worst downswing ever.

(yes, my stats are top secret.)
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5893/graphto6.jpg

20 BIs is supposed to be the accepted amount to cover the worst downswing right? 12 down, 8 more to go!

Someone who is generally a winner that lost more than 12 BI this month, please reply before I kill a kitten.



BBV-style flaming aside, I really did review my PT and I've just lost so much with big AI PF hands like my AA vs. (insert 22-88), my AK vs. (insert AQ-A4), etc. Of course everyone can always improve and I have lots of room for it, but this month has just been full of suckouts. Nothing out of the ordinary in any individual one, but there were countless many of them.

Off to break something.

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

Your sample isn't even 8k hands. People (winners) have broken even over 40k hands.

12 buyins is nothing.

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

It only gets worse man.

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Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

cashout curse anyone?

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

Stay thirsty, my friends.

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

Winning players can easily have 20+ buy-in downswings, however losing even 12 buy-ins at NL25 probably means you're terrible.

Sorry [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

its bc you cashed out of course

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

oh noes why did you block out your stats i want to copy your style.

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

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20 BIs is supposed to be the accepted amount to cover the worst downswing right? 12 down, 8 more to go!


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Bump this thread again when you reach -25+ BI or when you climb out of this hole.

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

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Winning players can easily have 20+ buy-in downswings, however losing even 12 buy-ins at NL25 probably means you're terrible.

Sorry [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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If this is serious, explain please.

2+ years without a losing month then a -12BI month = "you suck"? Maybe I should know better than to think anything is serious in this forum =d

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

25NL is rigged. 50NL isnt.

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

If youre coming from a higher level of play (pre cashout) I can see you getting pissed/owned at NL25 unless you change your style and dont autopilot (this post may be full of shi)

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25NL is rigged. 50NL isnt.

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ya rly

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2+ years without a losing month then a -12BI month = "you suck"? Maybe I should know better than to think anything is serious in this forum =d

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Wow now this is a BEAT: 2+ years and still at 25NL. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

I am down 17-18 buyins at $200 nl in april...

Feel better?

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

wow... you are upset about losing $200? are you kidding me?

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Your sample isn't even 8k hands. People (winners) have broken even over 40k hands.

12 buyins is nothing.

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This is 25NL. I am really bad at poker. Like really bad. But dropping 12 buy ins is ridiculous.

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wow... you are upset about losing $200? are you kidding me?

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Please, tell me where I said I was upset about the money.


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This is 25NL. I am really bad at poker. Like really bad. But dropping 12 buy ins is ridiculous.

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I know it is and that's why I'm posting. It's weird how everyone is so quick to say "it means you suck", yet I could easily select about a dozen AI PF hands which have a summed EV that would make the difference for this month -- and that's just out of the PF AI hands.

If I constantly get money in good it's up to the RNG after that. Nothing stops it from giving it to the underdog multiple times in a row... probably moreso given my sample size.

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month? try day.

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

thats how many hands I played today. Try breaking even over 100k hands

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

*shrug* I lost half my bankroll at NL25 and NL50 last month. I'm down about 14 BIs over the last two months. It's depressing, especially after running hot for a long time, but it's poker and ya gotta either deal with it or take up parcheesi.

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Winning players can easily have 20+ buy-in downswings, however losing even 12 buy-ins at NL25 probably means you're terrible.

Sorry [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I'm a solid winner -- 8 PTBB/100 before latest rough stretch, 6 PTBB/100 after -- at 25NL and 50NL over ~150K hands and I just lost 13 buyins at 25NL in about the same number of hands as OP.

Art, you might suck but you definitely don't have to for this to happen to you. Good luck turning it around.

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wow... you are upset about losing $200? are you kidding me?

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Please, tell me where I said I was upset about the money.


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This is 25NL. I am really bad at poker. Like really bad. But dropping 12 buy ins is ridiculous.

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I know it is and that's why I'm posting. It's weird how everyone is so quick to say "it means you suck", yet I could easily select about a dozen AI PF hands which have a summed EV that would make the difference for this month -- and that's just out of the PF AI hands.

If I constantly get money in good it's up to the RNG after that. Nothing stops it from giving it to the underdog multiple times in a row... probably moreso given my sample size.

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This your first time reading BBV? This is the reaction you get here. So you lost 12 BIs in one month...of very few hands. I'm down 16 BI at 2/4 in my last 5k hands. Luckily thats just under a week of play. As you move up, you'll go on bigger downswings...My advice: don't post them in BBV until you go over 30. And then be prepared to still get flamed.

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Stay thirsty, my friends.

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LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

Yeah I know, I've made a few comments stating I know what to expect in this forum. I was just kinda frustrated last night hence my forum choice -- somewhat making fun of myself but then today I wrongly expected sincere responses. =d

I did want to correct the accusation that I was torn up about the money though.

Thanks to those that really did offer support and show it's not abnormal, it's definitely encouraging.

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

Artsemis, you probably have to adapt your game somewhat to deal with the donks at the microstakes. I have a strict 'only play when drunk' policy for NL20. It works for me:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2831/drunkye2.png

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

25NL means you are a modest player playing other modest players

400NL means you are a decent player playing other decent players

1000NL means you are a good player playing other good players


Ergo, dropping 20BI's at any of those levels is simply a matter of relativity. So screw the haters OP. Losing 12BI's at 25NL is precisely = to losing 12BI's at a higher level.

(Declaration: I am on a 20BI downswing at 50NL laaawwwwwwwwl)

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Someone who is generally a winner that lost more than 12 BI this month, please reply before I kill a kitten.

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I dropped 18 buyins at 100NL 6 max last month before turning it around cos I was stupid enough to not move down soon enough. Posted about it here, got the usual responses.

So I moved down to 25NL for a short while, then 50NL, then 100NL then a little 200NL. Still made more than $4.5k from poker last month including bonuses and rakeback. Rubbish month, but still, could have been a lot worse considering I was down to under $400 on my online roll and didn't rebuy.

So there you go. It can turn around, even for a massive fish like me. Don't kill any kittens [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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oh noes why did you block out your stats i want to copy your style.

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lol

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oh noes why did you block out your stats i want to copy your style.

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lol

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Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

/bump

So I finally reloaded after a short break and it took all of 1 hour for these 3 hands to happen. New tally: 15 BI's.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($23.10)
Hero ($27.55)
MP3 ($24.65)
CO :#A500AF(72/60/4 Maniac)/ ($139.65)
Button ($20.05)
SB ($14.45)
BB ($21.30)
UTG ($44.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">CO :#A500AF(72/60/4 Maniac)/ raises to $1.6</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $1.35, Hero calls $1.35, MP3 calls $1.35.

Flop: ($6.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">72/60/4 Maniac bets $2.75</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $2.75, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($12.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">72/60/4 Maniac bets $11.7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $23.2</font>, 72/60/4 Maniac calls $11.50.

River: ($58.65) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $58.65

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 6d 4d (three of a kind, fours).
72/60/4 Maniac has Qc 5d (full house, fives full of fours).
Outcome: 72/60/4 Maniac wins $55.75. </font>



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($49)
UTG ($10.50)
MP ($8.50)
Hero ($24.70)
Button ($11.50)
SB ($15.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $11.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $10.50.

Flop: ($23.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: ($23.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($23.60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $23.60

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qs Qd (two pair, queens and twos).
Button has Ac 3h (straight, five high).
Outcome: Button wins $23.60. </font>



And AA vs JJ all in pf... I closed the window before grabbing the HH but there's nothing special there, he just flopped a J.

I'm just getting extremely frustrated as 20BI's is supposed to be the maximum buyins to account for the luck and variance but it's looking like I'm going to hit that mark.

I'm still up about $1500 on NL25 (I suck at moving up) but like I said before I had to pull out most of it to move after college... now I can't even have a winning session.

Oh, here you go...
Beat: I'm down 15BI's at NL25.
Brag: I'm still up $1500.
Variance: I'm considering murdering a kitten.

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

move up to chase losses. LDO

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Someone who is generally a winner that lost more than 12 BI this month, please reply before I kill a kitten.

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I dropped 18 buyins at 100NL 6 max last month before turning it around cos I was stupid enough to not move down soon enough. Posted about it here, got the usual responses.

So I moved down to 25NL for a short while, then 50NL, then 100NL then a little 200NL. Still made more than $4.5k from poker last month including bonuses and rakeback. Rubbish month, but still, could have been a lot worse considering I was down to under $400 on my online roll and didn't rebuy.

So there you go. It can turn around, even for a massive fish like me. Don't kill any kittens [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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you're telling me you went from 5/10 all the way down to .10/.25 and didn't kill yourself? wtf?

Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($27.05)
UTG+1 ($24.75)
MP1 ($27.25)
MP2 ($13.60)
CO ($4.75)
Button ($52)
SB ($21.30)
BB ($15.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $0.75, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>.

Flop: ($1.85) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1</font>, MP1 calls $1.

Turn: ($3.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $25.5</font>, Hero calls $10.30 (All-In).

River: ($54.65) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $54.65

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Ac (flush, ace high).
MP1 has Ts Td (full house, tens full of jacks).
Outcome: MP1 wins $54.64. </font>

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Re: My worst month yet :( -12 BIs
 

did you lose a pot?

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Every [censored] one of the all in pots with cards to come.

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Thanks to advis0r's program...

This month (past few days)
found 33 headsup allin situations
won: 12 lost: 20 tied: 1
average potsize: 19.72$
average ev: 0.5921
money won: 199.20$
money expected (based on allin equity): 356.36$
money difference: -157.16$


That alone is more than I'm down for the month.