Three From The Big Blind
 

All from an intense 20-40 four-table must-move chain at Casino Arizona tonight.

(A) Villain unknown, seems standardish aggro sunglasses-wearing type. He raises the cutoff and I defend my BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Flop T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I checkraise, he 3bets and I call.

Turn 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I check and call.

River T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I check, he bets, I raise.

(B) We're 7-handed. UTG+1, who is overtight, raises. The button, who is loose and erratic but not completely on his own planet, reraises. I have a kill button, so if I win a $200+ pot this hand I have to post $30 in my small blind next hand. I have AQs and fold.

(C) LMP raises. He's mediocre to bad, not extremely bluff-prone but reasonably active, and stuck. Pretty sure he views me as one of the crowd of people drawing out on him tonight. Folded to me and I threebet AQo from the BB.

Flop 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I bet and he calls.

Turn 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet and he calls.

River 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet.

--Nate

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All from an intense 20-40 four-table must-move chain at Casino Arizona tonight.

(A) Villain unknown, seems standardish aggro sunglasses-wearing type. He raises the cutoff and I defend my BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Flop T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I checkraise, he 3bets and I call.

Turn 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I check and call.

River T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I check, he bets, I raise.

(B) We're 7-handed. UTG+1, who is overtight, raises. The button, who is loose and erratic but not completely on his own planet, reraises. I have a kill button, so if I win a $200+ pot this hand I have to post $30 in my small blind next hand. I have AQs and fold.

(C) LMP raises. He's mediocre to bad, not extremely bluff-prone but reasonably active, and stuck. Pretty sure he views me as one of the crowd of people drawing out on him tonight. Folded to me and I threebet AQo from the BB.

Flop 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I bet and he calls.

Turn 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet and he calls.

River 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I bet.

--Nate

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I would like a turn cr in hand 1. I think he will cry call w/ an A here.

2nd hand is fine, though I dont play in a kill game.

Hand 3 is also fine.

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I like hand 1, but prefer the c/r on the turn; it seems stronger, plus you've picked up more of a hand.

2 is definitely the right play.

3, I prefer c/c. I can't see him folding a better hand here, but he might try to bluff with busted hearts.

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I don't know why you guys are recommending a turn c/r in hand 1. We would hate to get 3-bet by an overpair and have to call with 10-ish outs. It's because we have that many outs that we can make a pot-odds check-call on the turn. As for the river, we've represented a T and spending 2BBs in the hopes he folds an overpair is probably an okay investment. Nice hand, Nate.

Hand 2 is yawn fine.

Hand 3: you're putting him on AK and you hope he folds it, it seems. I'm not sure how reasonable that parlay is. But it does seem he'll raise any PP or flush draw on the flop, so because he only called the flop and turn, A-high seems like his most likely hand. I guess maybe you get value when AJ looks you up, and if AK folds that's awesome, so this is probably a fine value-bluff.

3-for-3.

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Joker--you're saying he might fold an overpair for one last river bet, but will often 3-bet that same overpair if he's check-raised on the turn? IMO, the turn c/r is scarier here because we have a bet behind and are representing an 8 nicely. A call is fine too from a pot odds perspective, and if we make it, the river c/r is fine. Just prefer the c/r on the turn.

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Also, were these all full rings? Not a big fan of defending my bb with 53 if so...

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I think donking the river in hand A is much better than c/r. I also think c/r'ing the turn is dumb.

I like hand C. Don't worry about B cuz its so rare.

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Also, were these all full rings? Not a big fan of defending my bb with 53 if so...

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I feel the same way about little suited one-gaps in the big blind. I'd like at least a 3 player flop.

In the first hand I don't like the re-raise with AQ in the BB. You can always check raise the flop.

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I think donking the river in hand A is much better than c/r.

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Really? I thought I needed the extra oomph of a c/r there to get him to believe me.

--Nate

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I think if we are trying to rep something besides a draw a turn cr accomplishes that. Plus given his description Im not convinced he has an overpair. A river cr and a river donk are getting paid off w/ A high. A turn cr might not

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Also, were these all full rings? Not a big fan of defending my bb with 53 if so...

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We were about 7-handed. I'm losing a little immediate equity, but I think I make up for preflop the times I put in 4.5 more BBs with five-high.

--Nate

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if i'm playing seriously, i would fold 53s, but since its so much fun to play i think a turn checkraise is a good move to make him believe though the simple checkcall is probably better. though on that river though i would give up against most players as they never fold anything to me.

hand 2 okay.

hand 3 perfect.

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Hand 3: you're putting him on AK and you hope he folds it, it seems. I'm not sure how reasonable that parlay is. But it does seem he'll raise any PP or flush draw on the flop, so because he only called the flop and turn, A-high seems like his most likely hand. I guess maybe you get value when AJ looks you up, and if AK folds that's awesome, so this is probably a fine value-bluff.


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fold AK? what? what makes u think we don't have the best hand by like a mile and get looked up by AJ, Ax, Ay, KQ, KJ, blah blah blah?

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Hand 3: you're putting him on AK and you hope he folds it, it seems. I'm not sure how reasonable that parlay is. But it does seem he'll raise any PP or flush draw on the flop, so because he only called the flop and turn, A-high seems like his most likely hand. I guess maybe you get value when AJ looks you up, and if AK folds that's awesome, so this is probably a fine value-bluff.


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fold AK? what? what makes u think we don't have the best hand by like a mile and get looked up by AJ, Ax, Ay, KQ, KJ, blah blah blah?

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CDC --

Yeah, I was betting for value for basically those reasons. Didn't want to say so in the OP.

Thanks for your input.

--Nate

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I think donking the river in hand A is much better than c/r.

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Really? I thought I needed the extra oomph of a c/r there to get him to believe me.

--Nate

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He doesn't valuebet A or K hi there, so the c/r just hopes he has counterfeit hand or Q-hi. He folds those to a donk too. I dunno though, when he bets the river his range is prob filled with those counterfeit hands, so I can see the merits to your line--its just kinda expensive so it cant be all that +ev.

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Hand 1 he folded to the c/r immediately. Maybe donking is more efficient but for whatever reason I still like a c/r. I guess I think he bets a lot of Kings? Hm.

Hand 3 he flashed AK to his neighbor (!!!) and then folded (!!!!!!!) and the neighbor practically pulled the hand out of the muck and put 40 of her own dollars in front of the line just on principle. So, guess I was totally wrong on my river thinking.

--Nate

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Hand 3 he flashed AK to his neighbor (!!!) and then folded (!!!!!!!) and the neighbor practically pulled the hand out of the muck and put 40 of her own dollars in front of the line just on principle. So, guess I was totally wrong on my river thinking.

--Nate

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