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so like four floor guys we fired over the past 2 weeks. at least three of them worked the pivotal swing shift and one of them (boba) was the best floor guy i had ever seen.

logic dictates it had to do with greasing, but i am wondering if anybody had heard anything concrete about this.

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so like four floor guys we fired over the past 2 weeks. at least three of them worked the pivotal swing shift and one of them (boba) was the best floor guy i had ever seen.

logic dictates it had to do with some floors having the holier than though attitude towards lower limit players, but i am wondering if anybody had heard anything concrete about this.

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FYP

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so like four floor guys we fired over the past 2 weeks. at least three of them worked the pivotal swing shift and one of them (boba) was the best floor guy i had ever seen.

logic dictates it had to do with greasing, but i am wondering if anybody had heard anything concrete about this.

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see this post from *TT*:
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It's from this thread:
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sweet so they are making a 'nice' poker room that will be a circus.

i am super pissed. boba is my nikka.

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so like four floor guys we fired over the past 2 weeks. at least three of them worked the pivotal swing shift and one of them (boba) was the best floor guy i had ever seen.

logic dictates it had to do with some floors having the holier than though attitude towards lower limit players, but i am wondering if anybody had heard anything concrete about this.

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photoc, what do you mean with the FYP?

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sweet so they are making a 'nice' poker room that will be a circus.

i am super pissed. boba is my nikka.

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Boba was still there on Monday at 6:30, he was gone by 8pm and replaced with David. Since the other 3 floor guys were let go a few days earlier I was hoping Boba would survive and just went home early. Nobody talked about Boba that evening, it didn't even cross my mind.

Interesting side plot... Boba sits me at my table, and I (as always) give him a red bird. He looks down at my hand and actually hesitates. He looks at me oddly as if to say why are you giving this to me, and then accepts the tip. Thats standard operating procedure for me, I always tip him regardless of the wait for a table (and he barely ever remembers me because i don't play at the B often enough). Too bad, Bobba had the most personality of the floor crew, I hope they dont bring over the Mirage staff!

As related to this story - I hear Suzie is back. The plot thickens...

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so like four floor guys we fired over the past 2 weeks. at least three of them worked the pivotal swing shift and one of them (boba) was the best floor guy i had ever seen.

logic dictates it had to do with some floors having the holier than though attitude towards lower limit players, but i am wondering if anybody had heard anything concrete about this.

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I think your FYP is wrong, its commonly what you hear from the local nitty types who won't play at the Bellagio because of xxxxxxxxxxx (insert convenient gripe here). There are lots of legitimate reasons to avoid the Bellagio, thats not one of them.

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This type of shake up should also happen in a few other strip rooms. I can think of at least two to three floor staff in each of the big three rooms that need to be shown the door.

Also, keep tuned to the "B", a few other changes are on the way and may SURPRISE the heck out of 99% of you.

hint---- think mohegan sun (sp)

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so like four floor guys we fired over the past 2 weeks. at least three of them worked the pivotal swing shift and one of them (boba) was the best floor guy i had ever seen.

logic dictates it had to do with some floors having the holier than though attitude towards lower limit players, but i am wondering if anybody had heard anything concrete about this.

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I think your FYP is wrong, its commonly what you hear from the local nitty types who won't play at the Bellagio because of xxxxxxxxxxx (insert convenient gripe here). There are lots of legitimate reasons to avoid the Bellagio, thats not one of them.

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If its being a nit to complain that when you walk in and ask to play $4-$8 or $8-$16 they talk to you like you are a complete bother to them. I understand you play a bit higher and they may treat you better, but the fact of the matter is there are too many places I can play poker for me to go to the B and be treated like I am an inconvenience to them.

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I guess this is nice to hear. I play low limit and always had the feeling that they really didn't care about my business. Not a gripe, really, I just found different places to stay and play (most recently MGM/Signature).

I suppose I'll give the room a try again.

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so like four floor guys we fired over the past 2 weeks. at least three of them worked the pivotal swing shift and one of them (boba) was the best floor guy i had ever seen.

logic dictates it had to do with some floors having the holier than though attitude towards lower limit players, but i am wondering if anybody had heard anything concrete about this.

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I think your FYP is wrong, its commonly what you hear from the local nitty types who won't play at the Bellagio because of xxxxxxxxxxx (insert convenient gripe here). There are lots of legitimate reasons to avoid the Bellagio, thats not one of them.

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If its being a nit to complain that when you walk in and ask to play $4-$8 or $8-$16 they talk to you like you are a complete bother to them. I understand you play a bit higher and they may treat you better, but the fact of the matter is there are too many places I can play poker for me to go to the B and be treated like I am an inconvenience to them.

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You have a reading comprehension problem today my man. You took a statement about limit players, and applied it to low limit games.

And yes I fully agree Bellagio staff doesn't care about low limit games, but why should they? its not their bread and butter, they toss in a few of those games to assure the low limit playing guests are happy. But again this has nothing to do with Photoc's statement which I believe was misguided (but with good intent no doubt).

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This type of shake up should also happen in a few other strip rooms. I can think of at least two to three floor staff in each of the big three rooms that need to be shown the door.

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Lets see... almost everyone at the Mirage (laziest crew I have ever seen at a busy room), but I can only think of one person at the Wynn and even then I don't think its that big of a deal - retraining would work. You already know my opinions of Venetian staff, its managerial issues not personnel that needs to be fixed first (although I assume a few heads should roll there as well, its just not the priority).

I haven't a clue what you are referring to with Mohegan Sun, unless Dave is moving over there to open the new room and Suzie is replacing him - thats just an educated guess. Speaking of which, didn't Suzie move to Ireland with Howard? OMG this would make a great NVG thread!

The only other Mohegan Sun reference I can think of is that they closed their poker room a few years ago (they are preparing to reopen now). It would surprise the hell out of me if Bellagio was thinking about closing the poker room.

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This type of shake up should also happen in a few other strip rooms. I can think of at least two to three floor staff in each of the big three rooms that need to be shown the door.

Also, keep tuned to the "B", a few other changes are on the way and may SURPRISE the heck out of 99% of you.

hint---- think mohegan sun (sp)

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Do tell...

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"And yes I fully agree Bellagio staff doesn't care about low limit games, but why should they?"


Dude, PLEASE give up being a Mod. The forum would be much better for it (IMHO).


Best Wishes

Howard

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WTF does TT's opinion on that subject have to do with him modding this forum?

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The only other Mohegan Sun reference I can think of is that they closed their poker room a few years ago (they are preparing to reopen now). It would surprise the hell out of me if Bellagio was thinking about closing the poker room.

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Mohegan Sun didn't close the poker room...Mohegan Sun poker room was forced to shut down...was that the hint?

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"And yes I fully agree Bellagio staff doesn't care about low limit games, but why should they?"


Dude, PLEASE give up being a Mod. The forum would be much better for it (IMHO).


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Howard - I suggest you take the time to consider the business realities of poker room operation that balances the needs of the casino and the player carefully rather than only see the POV of the player. I can only assume that this is the case because you are attacking that statement. And that statement is also a reason why I was selected to become a mod - I see through the standard nitty gripes that many players have and can hope to point them on the right path to understanding the poker economy.

To elaborate, The Bellagio doesn't need low limit business, but it still caters a table or two for the guests who need this option. I know its something you and many others want - and rightfully so, but its obviously not a part of their master strategy that shows with their bothersome attitude (for what its worth, the higher limit games get some of the same treatment). They don't need low limit games to survive, and anyone who goes to the B to play low limit games regularly is likely doing so for non-traditional reasons - the room isn't designed for their needs. With that said I think the B does a 1/2 decent job at catering to low limit players considering its not their focus, but if I played 4/8 or 1/2 regularly I'd chose another room to play in for sure. Its interesting how 90% of the time we hear about Bellagio complaints on this forum its from low limit players, they would be much better served taking their business elsewhere since the room intentionally doesn't serve their needs - but thats not something to gripe about (unless your griping that the room is too small and need to double its size to accommodate lower limit games)

On a related note I was playing 15/30 on Monday when an old regular complained that the list was almost 20 names deep yet they didn't spread a new table. She was focused on her own needs rather than the needs of the poker room as a business - and in turn the current majority of players in the room; since the 5 diamond tournament is in town 15/30 is low on the priority list when they are holding empty tables for bigger games that are popping up left and right.

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this is beat

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TT,
I am a local that refuses to play 4-8 and 8-16 at the Bellagio because the floor treated me like dirt as well on several occasions. I don't expect them to fluff my pillow and give me a massage, but I expect people in any position at any casino to at least be courteous and not act like a complete prick. I am not sure why you think that just because the Bellagio doesn't "need" my play they are justified in having horrible customer service?
Because they do have horrible customer service (and because it is too crowded, no computerized list, and several other issues I have) - I won't play there - that doesn't make me a nit - it makes me a smart consumer.

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A rumor was spreading the other day in Bally's that Bellagio was going to drop their low limit stuff. No more 4/8, probably no 8/16, and no NL2/5. They would have NL5/10 and 15/30 as their entry level games.

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I am a local that refuses to play 4-8 and 8-16 at the Bellagio because the floor treated me like dirt as well on several occasions. I don't expect them to fluff my pillow and give me a massage, but I expect people in any position at any casino to at least be courteous and not act like a complete prick. I am not sure why you think that just because the Bellagio doesn't "need" my play they are justified in having horrible customer service?
Because they do have horrible customer service (and because it is too crowded, no computerized list, and several other issues I have) - I won't play there - that doesn't make me a nit - it makes me a smart consumer.

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re-read my post.. its not nitty to avoid the Bellagio if they don't cater to your needs, it makes you a wise consumer. It is however typical of local nits to complain about the lack of low limit games and poor treatment of low limit players, as if the world revolves around them. Lets face it, its not a the room you should want to play in for low limit games - and the staff there doesnt attempt to hide that fact.

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A rumor was spreading the other day in Bally's that Bellagio was going to drop their low limit stuff. No more 4/8, probably no 8/16, and no NL2/5. They would have NL5/10 and 15/30 as their entry level games.

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WOW... was this rumor from a reliable source? Looks like Suzie is shaking the tree in a huge way.

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Sorry for the slight hijack, but how well does the B take care of their 5/10nl players? I've heard the B 5/10 is excellent and I'm looking foward to it when I get back to LV.

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TT,

For all of your talk, I have no idea how you can miss the most basic of marketing which the Bellagio seems to be screwing up completely: word of mouth.

If they don't want to run the $4/$8, fine, don't run it. But to run it and treat the players like crap, all they're doing is creating a horrible word of mouth reputation for themselves, and I think we can safely assume that the $4/$8 players are not talking exclusively to other $4/$8 players when they tell all of their friends that the customer service sucks ass at the Bellagio.

If you're going to run a game, run it courteously and professionally, other wise you're doing more harm than good for your poker room. The fault lies with the Bellagio for spreading a game they have no interest in supporting well, not on the players for complaining about it.

Ray

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Sorry for the slight hijack, but how well does the B take care of their 5/10nl players? I've heard the B 5/10 is excellent and I'm looking foward to it when I get back to LV.

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The game is sick soft. I don't know what people expect of the staff but I had no problems there when I visited in March. Other than not having a computerized list where it's easy to see where you're at in terms of getting a seat, I don't really have any complaints.

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If they don't want to run the $4/$8, fine, don't run it. But to run it and treat the players like crap, all they're doing is creating a horrible word of mouth reputation for themselves, and I think we can safely assume that the $4/$8 players are not talking exclusively to other $4/$8 players when they tell all of their friends that the customer service sucks ass at the Bellagio.

If you're going to run a game, run it courteously and professionally, other wise you're doing more harm than good for your poker room. The fault lies with the Bellagio for spreading a game they have no interest in supporting well, not on the players for complaining about it.

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Agree with all of this. This is business 101 type [censored].

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If you're going to run a game, run it courteously and professionally, other wise you're doing more harm than good for your poker room. The fault lies with the Bellagio for spreading a game they have no interest in supporting well, not on the players for complaining about it.



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For all of your talk, I have no idea how you can miss the most basic of marketing which the Bellagio seems to be screwing up completely: word of mouth

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Do you really think i care what 4-8 players are saying when the only 100-200 game in town is at the B? Please understand that while B runs those 4-8 and 8-16 games they really do not need them and they need local low limit nits even less.

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Do you really think i care what 4-8 players are saying when the only 100-200 game in town is at the B? Please understand that while B runs those 4-8 and 8-16 games they really do not need them and they need local low limit nits even less.

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Fine. Let them shut them down and fill up the place with 100-200 games instead.

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Do you really think i care what 4-8 players are saying when the only 100-200 game in town is at the B? Please understand that while B runs those 4-8 and 8-16 games they really do not need them and they need local low limit nits even less.

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Right, they need higher stakes players. Those higher stakes players know the lower limit players and hear the lower limit players whine and bitch and think "Well hell, why would I go to the Bellagio? They treat the players like crap."

I didn't think word of mouth was that hard of a concept to understand, but I was apparently mistaken.

Ray

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You guys who think the "B" does not need the 4/8 and 8/16 and small no-limit are way off base.
These games fed the bigger games. All rooms need a pool to draw from.
If the 15/30 has no pool to draw, it will dry up. If the 15/30 dries up there goes the 30/60 and so on.

I doubt very much the "B" will drop the 4/8 games. It is money in the pocket for them.

The 100/200 has what, three table going at most during non tourney time on the weekend.

p.s. TT

Just my humble opinion here about the "V".
Kathy is not the problem, I have spent many hours talking to that lady. She is handcuffed a little at this time. If she were to be turned loose and let her doing the things that need to be done she would have a winner here. HR is a problem at the "V". and some of the staff know this. There for they have a " WE DO WHAT WE THINK IS RIGHT ATTITUDE".

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Right, they need higher stakes players. Those higher stakes players know the lower limit players and hear the lower limit players whine and bitch and think "Well hell, why would I go to the Bellagio? They treat the players like crap."

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Low limit player: "Don't play at the B , they treat us like crap"
Me: "Ohh wow...thanks for telling me. Where would you suggest i play anything higher then 40-80?"
Low Limit player: "Ohh i don't know...try LA or AC"

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Do you really think i care what 4-8 players are saying when the only 100-200 game in town is at the B? Please understand that while B runs those 4-8 and 8-16 games they really do not need them and they need local low limit nits even less.

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Fine. Let them shut them down and fill up the place with 100-200 games instead.

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If the rumor is true, then it looks like that might be hapening

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Do you really think the conversation goes like that? Talk about people who think the world revolves around them; ironically the same argument being used against the "low limit nits" here.

So, everyone the low limit player talks to is looking to play 100/200? What about the huge number of players at the medium stakes that have now been told that the Bellagio is total ass and go play elsewhere? (*insert Don's excellent post about the feed up to 100/200*)

The Bellagio is hurting all of their games by treating the low limit games badly. While they may be the only game in town running 100/200 right now, I doubt it's going to stay that way for forever, and when other casinos spread it, it will be even worse for them since they appear to be dragging their reputation through the dirt.

And the fact that they are getting such a bad reputation, your imagined conversation is equally likely to go like this, even with a 100/200 player:

Low limit player: "Don't play at the B , they treat us like crap"
Me: "Ohh wow...thanks for telling me. Where would you suggest i play anything higher then 40-80?"
Low Limit player: "Ohh i don't know...I don't play that high!"
Me: "Well, crap, I love casino X, maybe I'll see if I can get enough people to bug them to spread 100/200 there instead..."

Ray

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Low limit player: "Don't play at the B , they treat us like crap"
Me: "Ohh wow...thanks for telling me. Where would you suggest i play anything higher then 40-80?"
Low Limit player: "Ohh i don't know...I don't play that high!"
Me: "Well, crap, I love casino X, maybe I'll see if I can get enough people to bug them to spread 100/200 there instead..."


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OK...retard alert...conversation is over...

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OK...retard alert...conversation is over...

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I'm glad you finally checked the self retard alarm. It does save time.

Ray

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If the 15/30 has no pool to draw, it will dry up. If the 15/30 dries up there goes the 30/60 and so on.

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I know Mason agrees with you, and generally I do too in all other rooms, but in the case of the Bellagio i don't think it matters. I could of course be wrong.

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I doubt very much the "B" will drop the 4/8 games. It is money in the pocket for them.

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I actually agree with you, there really is no reason for them to drop the games but it wouldn't shock me if they did - odder management decisions have been made before, and with Suzie returning they might be bringing new ideas to the room. 4/8 is found money, business that occurs that they do not actively try to obtain. Equally important is to assure that there is a solution for guests who cannot afford 15/30, at least a table must be made available for this customer. After all they still have penny and $5 slots - it may not overwhelm the room like it does at Bill's across the street but the option is there; I equate this to the same thought process.

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Over last 2 years Wynn and "V" tried to get mid-high limit games going. They effort was on a bit higher level then "I'll see if I can get enough people to bug them to spread 100/200 there instead..." and they failed anyway. Do you see why? Your retarded 4-8 game will alsways be good no matter where you play however if you play higher you need fish and fish is at the B.
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What about the huge number of players at the medium stakes that have now been told that the Bellagio is total ass and go play elsewhere?

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Great!!! You go play there and i'll stay with fish here!!!

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For all of your talk, I have no idea how you can miss the most basic of marketing which the Bellagio seems to be screwing up completely: word of mouth

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Do you really think i care what 4-8 players are saying when the only 100-200 game in town is at the B? Please understand that while B runs those 4-8 and 8-16 games they really do not need them and they need local low limit nits even less.

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Appalling.

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It might help if they regularly had a 8/16 game going at Bellagio.
There were none or barely one that played shorthanded the few times I was there midweek (W-F) in late March. Like others have said if there are no 4/8 or 8/16 who is going to move up to play 15/30+?
It seems Vegas has a real dead spot between beginner games like 2/4-4/8 and bigger games like 15/30+. I know Venetian is trying to be the place for these games but that doesn't seem to be working either.

Why is there no interest or demand for these more mid-limit (5/10,6/12,8/16,10/20) games in Vegas?