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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Why would this factor in at all?

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You take neither, because you can fill hat need in round 2 and round 3.

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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Why would this factor in at all?

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You're basically trading the 2nd best MLB prospect to another team for the best SS prospect.

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You take neither, because you can fill hat need in round 2 and round 3.

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OK sub MLB with QB and SS with HB...lol. Stay hypothetical plz.

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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Why would this factor in at all?

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You're basically trading the 2nd best MLB prospect to another team for the best SS prospect.

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this question honestly is entirely too vague and you're focusing on the wrong aspects of the whole idea in general.

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Bugstud, would you pick the MLB, or the SS in my example? And why? It's a simple question.

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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Why would this factor in at all?

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You're basically trading the 2nd best MLB prospect to another team for the best SS prospect.

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So what? The second best MLB may be better at his position that the best SS. What if the "best" SS still stinks? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Why would this factor in at all?

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You're basically trading the 2nd best MLB prospect to another team for the best SS prospect.

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So what? The second best MLB may be better at his position that the best SS. What if the "best" SS still stinks? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I said they are ranked equally to their respective position. WTF are you talking about? The SS is equally likely to be better at his position than the MLB. Why even bring this up?

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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Why would this factor in at all?

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You're basically trading the 2nd best MLB prospect to another team for the best SS prospect.

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So what? The second best MLB may be better at his position that the best SS. What if the "best" SS still stinks? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Yeah, this question is a litte silly. The answer is no, you don't pick the safety "without hesitation" because he is the best safety in the draft. There is zero logic behind that theory.

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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Why would this factor in at all?

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You're basically trading the 2nd best MLB prospect to another team for the best SS prospect.

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So what? The second best MLB may be better at his position that the best SS. What if the "best" SS still stinks? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I said they are ranked equally to their respective position. WTF are you talking about? The SS is equally likely to be better at his position than the MLB. Why even bring this up?

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Bewcause you wrote in a way so goofy I didn't understand wtf you were talking about. I don't think where they're ranked at their position has anything to do with it. I think you look deeper in the draft and figure out which need you're more likely to be able to fill later and take the other one.

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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Why would this factor in at all?

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You're basically trading the 2nd best MLB prospect to another team for the best SS prospect.

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So what? The second best MLB may be better at his position that the best SS. What if the "best" SS still stinks? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Yeah, this question is a litte silly. The answer is no, you don't pick the safety "without hesitation" because he is the best safety in the draft. There is zero logic behind that theory.

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Why not? Who do you pick? Is there an argument for picking the MLB in this situation?

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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Why would this factor in at all?

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You're basically trading the 2nd best MLB prospect to another team for the best SS prospect.

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So what? The second best MLB may be better at his position that the best SS. What if the "best" SS still stinks? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I said they are ranked equally to their respective position. WTF are you talking about? The SS is equally likely to be better at his position than the MLB. Why even bring this up?

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Bewcause you wrote in a way so goofy I didn't understand wtf you were talking about. I don't think where they're ranked at their position has anything to do with it. I think you look deeper in the draft and figure out which need you're more likely to be able to fill later and take the other one.

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Nobody else is having difficulty with the question. And again, you are looking too deeply into it. Stop thinking about whether or not the MLB performs better in preseason, or who is available at #34, etc..all other assumptions should be equal.

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Nobody else is having difficulty with the question.

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Really? Then why is everyone saying it's a dumb question?

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And again, you are looking too deeply into it. Stop thinking about whether or not the MLB performs better in preseason, or who is available at #34, etc..all other assumptions should be equal.

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No. You're trying to answer the question while ignoring the relevant factors. Why would you focus only on the factors that don't matter instead of the ones that do?

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Storm,
To exaggerate for clarity, does anything change if you pick 5th and the first 5 prospects are MLB's, and the 6th prospect is a tie between and MLB and a SS?

Is there really an argument for taking the MLB here over the SS? (Assume you don't pick an MLB to convert him to OLB). Also, you can't convert the SS to another position, either.

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Go to dictionary.com and type in the word Hypothetical.

EDIT: Colt, how much more info. do you need to answer the simple question? Who do you draft? The MLB, or the SS? It's a simple question. Who do you draft, and why?

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You take the position that's less easily filled. If the draft is deep in SS you take an MLB. Rank within position doesn't matter, which is why we tend to see teams pick the same positions in the first round (QB, HB, WR, OL, DL)

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Assume you needed both a MLB and SS equally, and they are your top priority, and you had the 2nd pick in the NFL draft.

The top rated prospect is a MLB, and he gets drafted first.

The second rated prospect is a hypothetical tie between another MLB and a SS.

Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB? Or does it all even out (because eventually in that draft, you'll have to pick an MLB anyway)?

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Despite your wording making this difficult your question has a simple answer. No, you don't take the SS without hesitation.

Your pick is determined by the depth of the two positions, and the likelyhood that you would get a serviceable player in the second round.
How good is the MLB or SS that will be available to you in the 2nd round going to be?

This is discounting any possible trade or free agent moves.

If everything else is equal, I would rather have the MLB, as I feel it is a more important part of the defense.

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Go to dictionary.com and type in the word Hypothetical.

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hypothetical
One entry found for hypothetical.
Main Entry: hy·po·thet·i·cal
Pronunciation: "hI-p&-'the-ti-k&l
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Hypothetical: Ignoring all relevant factors and instead focusing only on retarded ones that have no bearing so as to make the question completely stupid.

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My bad. You're right. Carry on.

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You take the position that's less easily filled. If the draft is deep in SS you take an MLB. Rank within position doesn't matter, which is why we tend to see teams pick the same positions in the first round (QB, HB, WR, OL, DL)

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In retardo world this criteria has been ruled out.

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Assume depth throughout the draft is equal for the SS and MLB positions.

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I understand what you are getting at but I don't think it matters... in general.

Now if you know the #3 team really really needs a new MLB and on your team's draftboard the two players are equal, there could be some value in trying to trade down a spot, which occasionally happens.

Otherwise though, I don't see how their "ranking" within the draft class really matters. In this situation I would mostly be thinking about a combination of these two factors:

1. Positional value based on my defensive scheme and strengths at other defensive positions (IE if I play a ton of man coverage and have great corners, safety could be slightly less important, or if my DTs are super good, run defense at MLB is less important etc.)
2. Value over replacement analysis (using the actual replacement if I don't draft him, not a theoretical replacement.)

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You take the position that's less easily filled. If the draft is deep in SS you take an MLB. Rank within position doesn't matter, which is why we tend to see teams pick the same positions in the first round (QB, HB, WR, OL, DL)

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In retardo world this criteria has been ruled out.

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Dude, wtf is your problem, man?! Jesus.

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You take the position that's less easily filled. If the draft is deep in SS you take an MLB. Rank within position doesn't matter, which is why we tend to see teams pick the same positions in the first round (QB, HB, WR, OL, DL)

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In retardo world this criteria has been ruled out.

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Dude, wtf is your problem, man?! Jesus.

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Because you ask if an argument can be made, then eliminate the legitimate argument so as to make the hypothetical stupid. There's no point asking hypothetical questions if you ask them in such a way as to make the answers stupid.

It's like saying, if we cut off both pitchers' arms who would be better?

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Assume depth throughout the draft is equal for the SS and MLB positions.

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Then you flip a coin, because there's no reason to take a player just because he's the top prospect at his position.

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You take the position that's less easily filled. If the draft is deep in SS you take an MLB. Rank within position doesn't matter, which is why we tend to see teams pick the same positions in the first round (QB, HB, WR, OL, DL)

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In retardo world this criteria has been ruled out.

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Dude, wtf is your problem, man?! Jesus.

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Because you ask if an argument can be made, then eliminate the legitimate argument so as to make the hypothetical stupid. There's no point asking hypothetical questions if you ask them in such a way as to make the answers stupid.

It's like saying, if we cut off both pitchers' arms who would be better?

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Thank you for your sharp insight, Colt. I look forward to your valuable analysis in future sports threads.

As to those who tried, at least attempted, to answer the simple question set forth, gtfo of Colt's thread! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

This is Colt's thread. It's where he tries to make people feel inferior to him by not being able to think of any substantial input, and blaming it on them.

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Actually, Colt has said the same thing everyone else has said:

1. WTF?
2. Take the guy in the scarcer position.

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Then you flip a coin, because there's no reason to take a player just because he's the top prospect at his position.

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Jack, what if you pick 5th and the first 5 prospects are MLBs, and the 6th is a tie between MLB and SS? Is there an argument for taking one over the other, or just flip?

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Then you flip a coin, because there's no reason to take a player just because he's the top prospect at his position.

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Jack, what if you pick 5th and the first 5 prospects are MLBs, and the 6th is a tie between MLB and SS? Is there an argument for taking one over the other, or just flip?

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you take whichever player is going to lead to improving your team the most, it doesn't matter if it is the #1 punter or the #34 DE

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Actually, Colt has said the same thing everyone else has said:

1. WTF?
2. Take the guy in the scarcer position.

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QFT

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Then you flip a coin, because there's no reason to take a player just because he's the top prospect at his position.

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Jack, what if you pick 5th and the first 5 prospects are MLBs, and the 6th is a tie between MLB and SS? Is there an argument for taking one over the other, or just flip?

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Just look at the usual pattern of the draft. Usually by the time you get to your first safety, you have multiple QBs, OL, and DL taken. No team says "this is the best player at his position." They say "which player can help my team the most?"

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My bad, y'all. Sorry for the horrible thread. Mods plz delete.

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Would you rather date the 5th best-looking waitress at Hooters or the best looking waitress at Denny's -- if they were identical twins?

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Your locations makes sense.

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Would you rather date the 5th best-looking waitress at Hooters or the best looking waitress at Denny's -- if they were identical twins?

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This is way too hypothetical. Which one makes more money? Which one gives better head? Which one has the tightest vag? I cannot answer your question.

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PHB,


Exactly.

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The answer is either it doesn't matter or it depends, and since you refuse to talk about why it depends, then it doesn't matter.

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This all depends on which team is drafting.

Lions: Flip a coin between the MLB and SS, then take a WR anyway.
Eagles: Flip a coin between the MLB and SS, then take a lineman anyway.
Redskins: Don't have the pick because they traded it already.
Houston: [censored] it up somehow.
Giants: Trade all their picks to move up two spots in the draft, then [censored] up and take the worst player.

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Is it correct to pick the SS, without hesitation, because you are getting the draft-classes "best" SS, as opposed to 2nd best MLB?

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Of course not. A player's position ranking is irrelevant--you need to evaluate the players holistically(Need, Position Scarcity and Value Over Replacement Player) to make a good pick.

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Didn't read thread, but...

these three are available

Peyton Manning (QB)
Tom Brady (QB)
Ron Dayne (HB)

Manning gets picked first. You need a QB and HB equally. Do you take Tom Brady or Ron Dayne?