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DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
<u>Hand 1</u>
No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.50/$1 6 players Stack sizes: UTG: $102.50 UTG+1: $123.80 CO: $115.80 Button: $126.40 SB: $86.19 Hero: $99.00 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $4</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls. Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8.5, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6.5</font>, UTG+1 calls. Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($21.5, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15.5</font>, UTG+1 calls. River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($52.5, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $74</font>, UTG+1 calls. Final pot: $200.5 Villain is a bad player running 23/10/2, not a whole lot more to say about him. <u>Hand 2</u> No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.50/$1 5 players Stack sizes: UTG: $84.53 CO: $179.95 Button: $202.75 SB: $86.49 Hero: $148.15 Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, CO calls, 2 folds, 2 folds, Hero checks. Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($3.5, 3 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.5</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $8</font>, Hero calls. Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($19.5, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $12</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $59</font>, CO calls. River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($137.5, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $81.15</font>, CO calls. Final pot: $299.8 Villain is a 15/7/2 who was running more like 18/12/2 when the hand happened <u>Hand 3</u> No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.50/$1 4 players Stack sizes: UTG: $219.60 Button: $118.52 SB: $105.88 Hero: $98.25 Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $4</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $15</font>, Button calls, SB calls. Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($47, 3 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $33</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $102.52</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $50.25</font>. Uncalled bets: $19.27 returned to Button. Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($213.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $213.5) River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($213.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $213.5) Final pot: $213.5 Villain is a lagfish extraordinaire running 39/24/2 <u>Hand 4</u> No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.50/$1 5 players Stack sizes: Hero: $101.50 CO: $124.80 Button: $93.85 SB: $65.22 BB: $97.25 Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, CO calls, 3 folds. Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.5, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6.5</font>, CO calls. Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($21.5, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $14.5</font>, CO calls. River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($50.5, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $77</font>, CO calls. Final pot: $204.5 villain is running 28/5/1, the bet on the turn was actually a misclick but I'd take the criticisms on either line with or without the misclick. <u>Hand 5</u> No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.50/$1 6 players Stack sizes: UTG: $101.05 UTG+1: $82.59 Hero: $101.50 Button: $88.98 SB: $326.50 BB: $196.25 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $13.5</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $326.5</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $88</font>. Uncalled bets: $225 returned to SB. Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($10, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $208) Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($10, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $208) River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($10, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $208) Final pot: $10 Unknown. |
Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
1-3 std, unlucky
4 i wouldnt usually bet the turn, don't think he's folding a K 5, meh I think this is fine against an unknown folding wouldnt be bad either. |
Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
Hand 1, bet more on the flop, bet more on the turn making your river push easier.
Hand 2 very very very very nice, especially raise amount on the turn. Hand 3 is solid Hand 4 is pretty solid post-flop, pretty bad pre-flop. Hand 5 is pretty high variance and you are at the lowest part of the range that a standard player would do this. 3-bet more btw. If you have a read this is fine, but most of the time folding is best. |
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Hand 1, bet more on the flop, bet more on the turn making your river push easier. Hand 2 very very very very nice, especially raise amount on the turn. Hand 3 is solid Hand 4 is pretty solid post-flop, pretty bad pre-flop. Hand 5 is pretty high variance and you are at the lowest part of the range that a standard player would do this. 3-bet more btw. If you have a read this is fine, but most of the time folding is best. [/ QUOTE ] ok thanks man I respect your comments with regards to the T8s pre-flop, I had stats on the people behind me all having high fold to cont. bet %s among other things and in Hand 5 I forgot to mention I had a possible tilt-image, which kinda got me to call. edit - in Hand 5, that's a pot sized re-raise; what do you recommend and why? |
Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
Don't ever use the pot button =P.
As with everything in poker, knowing "why" is the crucial element of the equation. You want to 3-bet harder for a few reasons: 1. Cut down on implied odds 2. Make your squeezes more believable 3. Potentially fold better hands (you hold AK villain has 77 for instance) 4. For value As a general SSNL observation I've noticed that when you raise strong, people are much less inclined to bluff you pre-flop. For instance, 2 limpers before you and you are on the button with a marginal hand like 77 or KQ. Assuming $100NL, if you make it $6, the blinds are going to fold a multitude of hands. Same with 3-bets. I've noticed that when I repop huge with a 3-bet, most players won't shove AK over me because of the strength I have shown (not always though). |
Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
if you keep playing like this you will be fine
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Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
Hand 1 - pot turn so river push is smaller bet, obv shove river
Hand 2 - fine Hand 3 - I bet more on flop, but standard Hand 4 - its 5 handed, preflop is fine! ignore the hating nits. Postflop is good too Hand 5 - Seems fine, i often just mash the pot button, but since you have position and a good hand you don't need to raise it that much harder, making it 3-4x his range is fine either way. I get allin here preflop vs most players, stats on him help. Based on these hands you play well |
Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
Why do you guys want to raise more in hand 5?
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Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
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Why do you guys want to raise more in hand 5? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Don't ever use the pot button =P. As with everything in poker, knowing "why" is the crucial element of the equation. You want to 3-bet harder for a few reasons: 1. Cut down on implied odds 2. Make your squeezes more believable 3. Potentially fold better hands (you hold AK villain has 77 for instance) 4. For value As a general SSNL observation I've noticed that when you raise strong, people are much less inclined to bluff you pre-flop. For instance, 2 limpers before you and you are on the button with a marginal hand like 77 or KQ. Assuming $100NL, if you make it $6, the blinds are going to fold a multitude of hands. Same with 3-bets. I've noticed that when I repop huge with a 3-bet, most players won't shove AK over me because of the strength I have shown (not always though). [/ QUOTE ] |
Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
MasterLJ - we have position, we dont need to raise that much bigger. In fact my 10/20 friends who look over my hands actually kept commenting that betting pot IP was a bit big, and they usually do 3x.
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Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
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MasterLJ - we have position, we dont need to raise that much bigger. In fact my 10/20 friends who look over my hands actually kept commenting that betting pot IP was a big big, and they usually do 3x. [/ QUOTE ] I feel like I should respond to this but don't know what else to say besides what I've already said. I've found that at SSNL people don't think "I will call a 3x pot raise, but not a 4x pot raise," it's more likely to be a binary decision "I will call a raise, I won't call a raise." I think it's one of the most exploitable properties of the average SSNL. To give a specific example, I see HH of people all day long that are not betting pot against calling stations. This is a huge huge leak. You are literally leaving money on the table. When you have any reasonable hand against a station bet pot at all times post-flop and raise them huge pre-flop with your monsters. Think about it this way. You hold AA, villain is a 90/1 and limps UTG, what reason do you have for not making it $12? |
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Think about it this way. You hold AA, villain is a 90/1 and limps UTG, what reason do you have for not making it $12? [/ QUOTE ] Why not $14? 15? 16? 20? shove? You have to draw the line somewhere. |
Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
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[ QUOTE ] Think about it this way. You hold AA, villain is a 90/1 and limps UTG, what reason do you have for not making it $12? [/ QUOTE ] Why not $14? 15? 16? 20? shove? You have to draw the line somewhere. [/ QUOTE ] You test it by ramping up and find their limit. If you knew you'd still get called by raising to $20, then raise to $20. It's pretty simple. You have to test your limits of value. I think most pre-flop stations will call up to $10 after limping pretty often. I have actually been in live situations where I pushed big pp in unraised pots and got callers. |
Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Think about it this way. You hold AA, villain is a 90/1 and limps UTG, what reason do you have for not making it $12? [/ QUOTE ] Why not $14? 15? 16? 20? shove? You have to draw the line somewhere. [/ QUOTE ] You test it by ramping up and find their limit. If you knew you'd still get called by raising to $20, then raise to $20. It's pretty simple. You have to test your limits of value. I think most pre-flop stations will call up to $10 after limping pretty often. I have actually been in live situations where I pushed big pp in unraised pots and got callers. [/ QUOTE ] If I have any thinking players on the table, they get a read out of my play if I change the pre-flop raise-sizing. When in a heads-up pot with said station, then I can take completely obscure and ridiculous lines I wouldn't normally take and it doesn't matter to nearly the same extent.. correct? |
Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
If you mean "ridiculous lines HU against a station/donk," then yes.
Even if thinking players pick up on it it's not terrible since you are only doing this with premium hands anyway. |
Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
Everything looks pretty good except betsizing in H1 and call in 5, neither of which are huge leaks.
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Re: DESPERATE - LINE CHECKS NEEDED
bump - not that I don't appreciate all the advice given thus far, just looking for as many angles as possible [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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