What else can I do?
 

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$3/$6 Blinds
5 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

<font color="black"> Hero: $907.35 </font>
browerkid: $1875.05
<font color="black"> zero2lose: $1031.70 </font>
TaiwanStyle: $558.60
ARISBOY: $498.50

<font color="black"> Preflop: </font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red"> zero2lose raises to $21 </font>, TaiwanStyle folds, ARISBOY folds, <font color="red"> Hero raises to $79 </font>, browerkid folds, zero2lose calls $58

<font color="black"> Flop: </font> ($164) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red"> Hero bets $164 </font>, zero2lose calls $164

<font color="black"> Turn: </font> ($492) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red"> Hero bets $246 </font>, <font color="red"> zero2lose raises all-in to $788.70 </font>, Hero calls all-in for $418.35
Uncalled bet of $124.35 returned to zero2lose

<font color="black"> River: </font> ($1820.70) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $1820.70 ($3 Rake)

zero2lose had 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Aces)

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Pair the board?

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Berate your opponent until someone calls the floor and you get kicked out of the casino for a month.

Oh wait... online? Throw your laptop through the wall.

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bbv?

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bbv?

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bbv!

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not post this here

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run better

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Every time I post in BBV, they tell me how bad I played the hand. I'm skipping the middleman.

Something felt wrong about getting myself pot-committed with transparently large preflop and flop bets, but not so large enough that I crushed his implied odds enough to make subsequently stacking off when the diamond hits a non-error.

I knew the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] was horrible for me too. I 'crying bet' the turn, which I regretted when he raised as expected. I really wonder if I should have checked. I felt compelled to bet because I didn't want some random broadway or diamond to get a free shot at runner/runnering me, but I don't know if that is good poker. What hand other than a flush can take his line? I probably would have heard from AK/KK preflop, and almost certainly AK/AT/66/TT on the flop, so KK or diamonds is the only hand he can have.

He had to call 164 to win 993, with a 18% chance of turning an out. There's some fudge factor in there, because I still have decent equity when he hits, but it seems like I did something wrong by not getting more in somewhere, somehow. Maybe I should have sized my preflop raise differently, because of our depth? Then, in general, a full pot bet on the flop would be enough to make weak draws incorrect to call.

Also, I'm wondering if there was some way I could have induced him to semi-bluff the flop, so I can get enough in to kill his odds. Might he have raised a weak-lead, or a normal-sized lead, allowing me to shove? Would he have taken the bait if I represented QQ and checked the flop? I'm wondering if my flop full pot froze him up, to my detriment.

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Every time I post in BBV, they tell me how bad I played the hand.

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That's because they suck.

You are vastly overestimating how often he a) Has a flush draw on the flop b) Has a flush, on the turn.

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I'm wondering if there was some way I could have induced him to semi-bluff the flop

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Bet less, but this is pretty player dependant. A lot of guys just won't raise you with this draw, on this board very often.

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Thats just awful luck- first off- he calls a sizable preflop raise with effin shiit. Then calls, a flop sized bet with a flushdraw (that you couldnt reasoably put him on (based on preflop). You had to think you had the nuts here- no wayyy you could fold this against an unknown. I have a question, assuming retard's preflop call, if you were him would u guys call the flop bet with that draw?

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The thing is- you had to figure you were way ahead--u want to bet for value not just blow him out of the hand with an enormous flop bet. I mean A)how could you reasonably know he was on a draw, and B)Its not like you pussied with a half-sized flop bet or anything, you put some chips in. You just got real unlucky-it happens.

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how could you reasonably know he was on a draw

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Well, I would propose that a general truism about top set is you have the deck crippled, so the only time you get strong action is when they have an under set, or a draw to something better than a set.

It seems ludicrous, but IMO, it's far more profitable to have TT here, because then there are all kinds of Ax hands you can stack.

150bb deep with position, I expect him to play suited connectors, although I was surprised he went as weak as 75s.

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You are vastly overestimating how often he a) Has a flush draw on the flop b) Has a flush, on the turn.

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What are your estimations?

I'm having trouble coming up with combos of semi-bluffing hands (AhJd/AhQd?) left in the deck that can see the turn, and even those have to be discounted because they rarely shove this deep against my displayed strength.

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i don't think anyone is arguing with you over the awkwardness of playing this hand postflop with these stacks, but your answer pretty much lies in your title.

also, do you normally bet full pot on the flop in a reraised pot? if he's never semibluff shoving or such and he's calling any amount than this is fine; i'm just curious

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You are vastly overestimating how often he a) Has a flush draw on the flop b) Has a flush, on the turn.

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What are your estimations?

I'm having trouble coming up with combos of semi-bluffing hands (AhJd/AhQd?) left in the deck that can see the turn, and even those have to be discounted because they rarely shove this deep against my displayed strength.

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Once he shoves, he has it a good amount of the time, and is very rarely semi-bluffing.

He's not gonna be shoving here very often though.

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also, do you normally bet full pot on the flop in a reraised pot?

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No, this was a big aberration, probably a tell, and probably a mistake. I basically invited him to call and stack me, rather than try to semi-bluff me. I almost always do something closer to 60%. In the moment, the rationalization went through my head "maybe this will look bluffy, because who the hell full pot cont bets in reraised pots?", but I think deep down, I just did it because I had top set, knew I was committed, and didn't want to get sucked out on 150bb deep.

Against the real whales I will bet my big hands bigger because I know they'll call any pair/any draw regardless of my bet size, but this villain is a presumably-thinking regular.

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wow this is such a [censored] easy hand

150bb, you have top set, you could easily have him oversetted, flop is A high with Ad and you full potted and he called, turn is Kd. chance he has a flush draw here is so small and even if he has it you have [censored] top set so whatever just hit a boat

he has AK/TT/KK/66 here so often that doing anything other than what you did is simply retarded

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fold preflop. fold flop

now that u got this far shove turn

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fold preflop. fold flop

now that u got this far shove turn

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plz be funny next time you decide to troll

kthnx