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shaundeeb 04-15-2007 06:16 PM

WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
I have a redic tough table the 2 raises are eboliva and belowabove is the 3bettor. Thayer was at the table and things chat effects the river action.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t2450)
MP3 (t2470)
CO (t3130)
Button (t2500)
SB (t2360)
Hero (t3130)
UTG (t2080)
UTG+1 (t2500)
MP1 (t1910)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t180</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t460</font>, MP3 calls t400, CO folds.

Flop: (t1110) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (t1110) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

I said I'm soo scared after I checked.
River: (t1110) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t2010 (All-In)</font>,

Chimp__greg 04-15-2007 06:21 PM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
The small raise then call of a 3-bet confuses me. I think he folds TT easily pre-flop, JJ is a stretch.

AQs seems pretty likely to me, or AK and you're looking at a split. I can't see what spade draw he could've had here that missed, AQs is the only one and that hit, or AKs which would be a split pot.

The 4 doesn't change anything, so I think either he hit trips w/ the J on the turn, the nut straight on the turn w/ AQs, or he has QQ and thinks you're weak (the chat makes this a teeny bit more likely, IMO. He also could've played KK/AA this way.

I likely fold, though. You're behind AA/KK, JJ and AQs and splitting w/ AKs. The only hand I can see him having that we beat is QQ.

b-komplex 04-15-2007 06:45 PM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
I looked up a similar line last night and got shown AA. Not familiar at all with the games behind the names tho.

FatalError 04-15-2007 06:53 PM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
tie or lose

seems like a clear fold

Cornell Fiji 04-15-2007 06:57 PM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
fold pf? I am interested in your thoughts on this OOP against strong players who know you as laggy.

fold river, but it would be an easier muck if you said nothing.

ZJ123 04-15-2007 07:01 PM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
Whats the point of re-raising preflop OOP(your raise is pretty small), if your not betting this flop? Were your checking all flops?

I just think you put yourself into a tough situation by not betting the flop.

shaundeeb 04-15-2007 07:02 PM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
well when I did my small 4bet was planning on folding to either of their shoves the flat call by ebo scared me a lot so was in WA/WB sit and checked since I was OOP and really betting there is the bot of my range really.

ZJ123 04-15-2007 07:06 PM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
ahh, i thought the MP folded and below called. hmm, yeah, thats tough then, but what could Ed, ever have here? He bets the turn at least with everything right? AK, KK, AA? Such a wierd hand. Im not even sure QQ is in his range. I dunno, it might be.

Jake M. 04-15-2007 07:21 PM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
It's a satelite so I do not feel the need to re-raise this OOP preflop. You're not trying to win the tourney, just trying to win a seat. I like to keep pots small unless I have the absolute nuts. Though you could make a point in saying you want to accumulate some chips in the early stages so that you can get deep. Still, for it to go check, check on the flop and turn and then for him to shove in. For all we know, he could have a 4 in his hand. He could have flopped a set hoping you were going to bet into it at some point considering you did re-raise him. There is no hand you can beat here. You can't even beat K 10.

skier_5 04-16-2007 02:54 AM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
easy fold. This really looks like AA afraid of a set imo.

woops thought your caller cold called. It's closer, but not by much imo.

TheFoxNL 04-16-2007 04:31 AM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
i dont like the checks at all

why would you reraise 2 raisers PF and then try to check it down
[censored] them knowing you makes it even harder
if they know youre laggy and you checked to them 3 times they could be doing this with air

now the 2nd raise is prob AKs/AQs JJ or QQ (more likely JJ IMO)

then you raise cold call (AA-KK AKs and maybe AQs)
the fold from the 2nd raiser means he thought you had a PP
so he would fold AQ AK and JJ here


now i doubt villian has AQs here
but youre not gonna find out by checking to him 3 times
imo if you wanna check
check the flop Bet the turn and act like you have AQ
if he's a decent thinking player he prob considers this to youre range either that or KK
if you would have bettet the turn you would get alott more information about villian's hand and you would have had a less difficult decision on the river

doubt villain has a 4 here at all

helgefyll 04-16-2007 06:34 AM

Re: WSOP 650 sat AKs
 
Anyone like a smooth call preflop? I think you will get alot more info on mp3s hand then. He will probably 3bet most premium hands since he doesn't want CO hanging around, then you can either push or fold depending on your read.. AKs plays well 3handed so getting to a flop cheaply is not a bad thing either imo. I don't like building the pot so huge OOP with AKs..
Now he's range for calling that 3bet is probably AK/KK/QQ and maybe JJ, I just dont see him calling with AQ here, unless you have 3bet like this before? Im guessing not since it's so early in the tournament..
The only hand you beat now is QQ, and that's the only hand.. I think this is an easy fold, because of the board you only beat one hand..
I might be way off with villains range here since I don't know him.


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