Best Fighting Game Series: Round 2
 

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i had to go, hard choices on all streets

SF2
MK
SSB
SFA

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i had to go, easy choices on all streets

SF2
MK
SSB
SFA

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People picking MK over the versus games are extra retarded; the MK games are some of the worst fighters ever made.

Anyone who picks KI over SF2 needs to be rocketed into the sun, for humanity's sake.

The other two are harder; I went with the Namco games because I like purdy graphics and pressing buttons. :3 I'm not going to hate anyone for preferring something like SSBM or Alpha 2, though.

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I think Virtua Fighter got a rough matchup in the first round. It's a lot better than KI and MK, imo.

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People picking MK over the versus games are extra retarded; the MK games are some of the worst fighters ever made.


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The MvC games are way better in just about every aspect. MK was groundbreaking in that it caused a video game violence uproar and, sure, you might have some fond memories of it from your childhood, but that doesn't make it a better all around fighter. MvC should be getting the easy vote here.

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I agree that MK1 was crap, but MK2 was much much better. It is like they took MK1 and actually turned it into a real game. I lost interest after that though. MK3 felt like a rehash of the same thing and I was perplexed at how "mortal" now meant "gods and robots".

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you might have some fond memories of it from your childhood

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i was a junior in high school when mk2 was released.

i am put off by the massive amount of easy infinite combos in mvc.

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you might have some fond memories of it from your childhood

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i was a junior in high school when mk2 was released.

i am put off by the massive amount of easy infinite combos in mvc.

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Setting up and maintaining those infinites is a whole 'nother question. Ironman is the only one with decent setups and an infinite that you can actually do without messing up a high percentage. Even then any good players will easily avoid ironman's setups.

Also note that Magneto ROM infinite goes on for a certain amount of hits before they dizzy and the combo breaks. Storm's trijump infinite is ridiculously hard to do on normal sized characters.

It's not like infinites break the game at all like in the case of Xmen vs Streetfighter. You may have standard super combos that can kill one of the other characters with full health, but that's part of the attraction for me. It's fun making an insano comeback.

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Even then any good players will easily avoid ironman's setups.

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i still enjoy the mvc games, and i don't find them to be hopelessly broken. i don't like things to rapidly devolve into degeneracy vs anti-degeneracy though; it's more metagaming than gaming, and depending on ease of execution it can really harm the natural learning curve. i have simply had more fun playing mk though, and i think it is much more important in terms of impact. that's not because of gore either, they were the first to make a big splash on button layout, juggle systems, secret characters, etc.

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Why is Tekken/SSB even close?

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Even then any good players will easily avoid ironman's setups.

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i still enjoy the mvc games, and i don't find them to be hopelessly broken. i don't like things to rapidly devolve into degeneracy vs anti-degeneracy though; it's more metagaming than gaming, and depending on ease of execution it can really harm the natural learning curve. i have simply had more fun playing mk though, and i think it is much more important in terms of impact. that's not because of gore either, they were the first to make a big splash on button layout, juggle systems, secret characters, etc.

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Heh, I was under the impression you thought MvC was a mash-fest-crapshoot. The comment about metagame is very true and I never thought about it that way.

I also enjoyed the MK series for the reasons you stated, but the fighting system just doesn't compare to anything by Capcom or SNK.

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X-Men COTA, that is all.

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VF not being here is sad considering almost all critics agree it is the best 3-D Fighting series of all-time.

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VF not being here is sad considering almost all critics agree it is the best 3-D Fighting series of all-time.

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It is considered the first polygon-based fighting game. I doubt you can find proof that "almost all critics" consider it the best fighting series.

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Heh, running a search through metacritic puts the #1 fighting game to be the original Soul Calibur, at #3 overall.

The list out of the top 200 (fighters on consoles in America only, and this is almost certainly missing anything before the start of the Internet, so absolute nothing before the PSX):

3) Soul Calibur
21) Tekken 3
50) Virtua Fighter 4
70) Street Fighter Alpha 3
86) Soul Calibur 2
88) Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution
112) Super Smash Bros. Meele
200) Dead or Alie 2: Hardcore

That's kind of a funny list. :3

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These were all easy except for MK/VS. where I picked the inferior MK as a sentimental choice it was the first video game I got really good at.

SF
MK
SSB
SC

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I doubt you can find proof that "almost all critics" consider it the best fighting series.

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Note the words I used...I never said I could find proof most critics would consider it the best fighting series (most would give that to Street Fighter for what it has accomplished), I said most critics say it is the best 3-D fighting series of all-time. And finding proof of that is not hard.

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SF2
MvC
SSB
SC

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I doubt you can find proof that "almost all critics" consider it the best fighting series.

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Note the words I used...I never said I could find proof most critics would consider it the best fighting series (most would give that to Street Fighter for what it has accomplished), I said most critics say it is the best 3-D fighting series of all-time. And finding proof of that is not hard.

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okay, waiting.

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How is SSM beating Tekken. Are you all small children?

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Shadow: Real quickly I searched google and 1Up.com had VF4 Evolution as the "best 3D Fighting Game Ever." 10/10

Ign says:

"The deepest, richest, and most rewarding fighter out there." 9.5/10 (highest score of any fighter).

I can get a bunch more, but I'm tired. What do you think people would consider a better 3-D fighter? Soul Cal. II is the only thing even close.

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SF2
MK
SSB
SC

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Shadow: Real quickly I searched google and 1Up.com had VF4 Evolution as the "best 3D Fighting Game Ever." 10/10

Ign says:

"The deepest, richest, and most rewarding fighter out there." 9.5/10 (highest score of any fighter).

I can get a bunch more, but I'm tired. What do you think people would consider a better 3-D fighter? Soul Cal. II is the only thing even close.

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Many more critics consider SC a better 3d fighter than Virtua Fighter from what I've seen. Still, that's just my viewpoint so I wouldn't offer that as proof the way you do. You're saying that it's easy to find proof that most critics agree that VF is the best 3d fighter and then offer two websites as "proof"...

Weaksauce.

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How is SSM beating Tekken. Are you all small children?

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Tekken is so unfun it's hard to describe. Maybe that's why?

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Many more critics consider SC a better 3d fighter than Virtua Fighter from what I've seen.

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sc was a killer app type game for the dreamcast, and probably the first 3d fighter to really explode on home consoles. unless you're looking at recently-written greatest of all time lists, i think there will be a signifigant amount of bias toward whatever was most explosive at the time. i'm reminded of the thps3 reviews that were like, "eh they've got reverts but nothing as huge as the manual was in the more impressive thps2". lots of people now consider thps3 the peak of the series. but even for goat lists, i would expect a lot of the reviewers that were actually around and playing pirates for the pc, sf2ww at the arcade, etc to have moved on. perhaps to other jobs, perhaps to editor positions. a previous poster made the comment about people preferring mk because of their childhood memories. that's perspective for ya.

i don't have an actual opinion on sc vs vf because i have yet to run into a true 3d fighter that i didn't find to feel as fast, responsive, and tactical as a 2d fighter. "3d-2d" ones i don't mind as much, but can still be klunky to me. i don't like the lag between input and output. maybe that's my old-by-video-game-standards age of 29 talking, maybe the games are more strategic than tactical. but i'll be surprised if sc doesn't remain at or near the top of fighters according to reviews, just because of the state of the genre upon its release. i had a dreamcast, and i picked up a copy because of the press. thought maybe it would show me what tekken and virtua fighter didn't. no dice!

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eh I could write forever on this topic but I'll just say SC is thought of as the worst series by fighting game enthusiasts in general. Its basically a simple game that revolves around a few powerful moves and setups/combos, and sidestepping/walking. No one I know really enjoys playing this game against good competition, and its nowhere near popular in the tournament world.

VF is probably the best overall 3d series in the end but its main problem is its a very difficult game for beginners and even mid level players to get into, but when you and your friends get good it has some of the most enjoyable play of any fighter.

Tekken is a terrific series that intentionally removes some of the skill and reactions necessary in VF to play well, more or less leveling the playing field so that mid level players can still have fun with the game. I have played tekken more than any fighter and overall have enjoyed it more than any game series. It is also probably the best developed series - while it took VF 10 years from the release of VF3 to VF5, very little was actually changed or added, its still the same game. Tekken however has added and improved upon its game significantly in every iteration.

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Having not played all fighting games at a tournament skill level, I can't really comment on which is the best game in that regard. However, I don't think "best fighting game series" means "best tournament fighting game series." Overall a lot of other factors need to be taken into account. Just wanted to say that to hopefully prevent the thread from degenerating into an argument over which is the best 3d fighter for tournament play.

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I don't think "best fighting game series" means "best tournament fighting game series." Overall a lot of other factors need to be taken into account. Just wanted to say that to hopefully prevent the thread from degenerating into an argument over which is the best 3d fighter for tournament play.

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fighting games are built upon the idea of competition, so i don't see how discussing how they are received at the highest levels of play could be considered degeneration. if by "other factors" you're implying fun, isn't that accounted for already? these challenge-seekers could try their hand at chess or bridge but they opted for a violent video game instead. and if something is an unfun piece of crap, i don't think it is going to ascend a thriving tournament level by simple virtue of being a fertile competitive platform.

balance and skill influence are a big part of replayability, tournaments put that to the ultimate test. "best" is a nebulous thing, it's not your thread, and the discourse here seems civil. i think it's perfectly valid for someone to consider tournament factors as a metric of quality. if you think something supercedes that, that's cool too. somebody else could even think something is best because it has the nicest outfits, whatever floats their boat. people vote for presidents with as little reasoning, so i don't think fighting game polls are above that.

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Many more critics consider SC a better 3d fighter than Virtua Fighter from what I've seen. Still, that's just my viewpoint so I wouldn't offer that as proof the way you do. You're saying that it's easy to find proof that most critics agree that VF is the best 3d fighter and then offer two websites as "proof"...

Weaksauce.

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Like I said, I can easily find more. I'm not finding many Soul Calibur best of all-time...

Gamecritics.com:

"Virtua Fighter is the Fighter Sim of choice, I don't think you can go into Soul Calibur II looking for a Virtua Fighter experience."

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3157730

Tekken vs. Virtua Fighter (Note SC is not mentioned).

SCII is a great game, but I think if you asked critics they would say VF is the superior choice.

No, I'm not going to find more links proving my point...sorry if you need 15 for it not to be "weaksauce."

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I wish you would just concede the point that you really have no way to prove that most critics view VF as the best.

So you can provide two. Well if I provide 3 that say SC is the best?
http://games.toptenreviews.com/reviews/g25401.htm
http://microsites.ign.com/kfc/top99games/10.html
http://www.gamespot.com/dreamcast/ac...ur/review.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compute..._greatest_ever
Don't see Virtua Fighter anywhere on that page.

BTW you might want to recheck what you said about IGN and them scoring VF as the best fighting game ever with a 9.5/10 cause SC scored 10/10.

Gamespot says "Soul Calibur is the best 3D fighting game ever released in the arcades. Better than Virtua Fighter 3. Better than Tekken 3."

I'm just saying don't make blanket statements like "most critics think VF is better" and try to pass it off as the truth.

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At the time of DC SoulCalibur II was probably the best fighting game ever. Since this is the best fighting game series (!), and not game, I think VF still wins.

For what it's worth...SCIII (the newest of the SC's got an 8.5 on IGN. Virtua Fighter 4 and VF Evolution got an 9.3 and 9.5.

SCII is the highest scored DC game.


Hmm...gamespot says that now? Cause the newest updated of it says: "The Virtua Fighter series is hands-down the best fighting series on the market now. .."

Note that yours was VF 3...

If you take the SERIES AS A WHOLE, VF is considered the best 3-D fighting series.

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So the newest SC has an 8.5 rating on IGN. Guess what, the newest VF game only scores an 8.8 whereas Tekken scores 9.3. Holy [censored] Tekken is the best fighting game series of all time according to most critics.

However, if it will make you happy to say to everyone you meet that VF is considered by critics to be the best fighting game series of all time on the planet you're from, by all means, carry on!

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God why do I bother with idiots? Did you read the VF5 REVIEW?

9.5 Gameplay
One of the best fighting systems ever made.

Most of the complaints were not about the fighting engine.

Also, it is higher scored than Tekken 5 on the PS3.

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Jack: My originally point was that VF is much better than MK, Killer Instinct.

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i dont mind that you like VF that much it is very good series, i just dont like to quote you said

"VF not being here is sad considering almost all critics agree it is the best 3-D Fighting series of all-time."

it got a touch match up in MvC because the games are so different, however the whole reason we have this poll is to say what games we prefer as opposed to "Critics"

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laf this thread is so lame.

no one and I mean no one takes gaming magazine review scores seriously, especially in something so specific as this discussion. "yeah SC is .7 points better than VF because gamespot said so!" lolololololollolololololollolololololollololololol ol

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Never realized 2+2 runs a kindergarten forum now, too.