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steamcall 04-12-2007 09:27 PM

Boston Area Poker Club Robbed
 
So I debated weather or not to post this but figured it could be a good lesson for those of you who choose to play in “poker clubs”. This robbery happened the middle of last week at a Boston area club. The club was robbed by 5 guys dressed as State Troopers with Automatic Weapons and bullete proof vest and ski masks. Two of the five guys were black, which would not normally be of any significance except I think I read online (maybe 2+2 but I couldn’t find the post) about a similar team of 5 guys (two black) hitting up a poker club in another state. Probably just a coincidence but I thought I might mention it to see if anyone else experienced the same thing somewhere else. This oddly would make me feel better that management was probably not involved.

Anyway, we were sitting there playing and the guy running the games announced “the police are here”. A little bit of back ground about this club it is protected by two sets of locked doors. Each of which a person must show there face to a camera and be buzzed in. The first is standard door with clear glass, but the second enforced with steel bars and tinted to prevent people from seeing inside. I would think they could keep a group like the ones who robbed it out for quite a while unless they had the right equipment to break through (I doubt they did).

They didn’t need to though because according to the guy running the club the first guy came to the door showed a badge to camera. At this point he also claimed the guy came to the door without a mask on. So, he let them in thinking it was a police raid. They acted and looked like cops at first. They came in saying they were the state police and that this was a raid for an illegal poker game. They told everyone to get on the floor around the tables and then one by one ushered people at gun point into a large room. They were total pricks yelling at everyone and constantly asking if anyone had a gun. Anyone who looked at them was immediately to “don’t f*in look at me or I’ll kill you”. This seemed like odd behavior for a police raid to me, but I’d never been though one and they had what looked like automatic weapons with laser scopes so I did what they asked. I think they were real guns because a bullet was left behind, I guess they could have been fake. Everyone was hoarded into a big room and put face down on the floor. They bound everyone’s hands behind their backs with plastic ties and said “everyone is going to jail” Still acting like cops or trying anyway they asked who ran the club, was there any guns or drugs. The guy running it stepped up immediately.

This seemed appropriate for him to step up and take the heat. I would say generally a good thing. They started to interrogate him and continue to ask if anyone had a gun … This seemed reasonable that were concerned about it but I bit odd because they were overly concerned. Also I was kind of wondering where are the rest of the cops there was only 4 guys in the place at this point. The guy started to press him about the club and the games and if he was running illegal poker and where was all the money. They he went on about “if I can’t find the cash I can’t charge you with anything”. Then he started to hit the guy running the game with the butt of his gun (M16 I think but I don’t really know much about guns) and kick him too. I was thinking what the f* no cop would act like this….ohhh you tool we’re being robbed.


So the interrogation of the guy running the game and the lead thug carried on for about 3-5 minutes. He kicked him a few times and hit him again. Meanwhile the rest of the guys were either going through the club looking for the money or busy robbing everyone in the place. They cut up the pants on everyone and took all their cash. They claimed to be looking for drugs, but I have never heard of cops cutting everyone’s pants in a poker raid looking for drugs. I was really hoping that the guy running the club would just give them the money so they would go. Then something weird happened. They found drugs on someone and they called the guy running the club by name and said they were going to pin the whole thing on him. They were still trying to act like cops but I think it was obvious at this point they weren’t. They started making wise ass comments like “fat ass” “poor boy” and “retard” to the people they were robbing. Also they said if they found drugs they were going to pin it on the guy running the club. Come on, were they even trying to act like cops anymore? I guess it didn’t matter since everyone was tied up anyway and they had guns.

So they found all the money, probably in the neighborhood of 50-60K. Then just like that they all ran out the back door. All that was left was a group of tied up poker players with all their money gone and pants cut up. Pretty humiliating actually. The cops weren’t called so it was the perfect crime. The guy who ran the club a huge welt on his head but everyone else was untouched and fortunately no one was hurt. They were all broke but unharmed.

So in thinking about it a couple of questions arise. Could it have been prevented? Was it a setup and was someone inside involved, even management?

I think the right thing to do would have been to call the cops when the guys first came to the door. There is no downside because if you are getting raided they are there anyway. If you are getting robbed it is much better to have the cops come and keep everyone safe. This would also deter people from trying to rob this game. I don’t think they could have gotten in if he didn’t let them in and called the cops. I would recommend that anyone going to a club ask the club what they would do in this situation. If they say they would call the cops and they do when it happens, not only are you safer you know they aren’t in on it.

I of course don’t know for sure if management was in on it or not. I really like the guy and think he is pretty cool, but an incident like this is of course going to bring up that question. I hope he wasn’t and feel bad for him if he took a legit beating and the money was lost. That being said these guys had inside information and they hit the club on the busiest night by far. They called him by name which could have been from their insider info or they could have screwed up. I don’t know but it’s suspicious. I like the guy, I really hope he didn’t set everyone up. He talked about it after and seemed to be legit about the whole thing, but who knows he could be a decent actor. He was like how the f* did they know my name? Maybe it was an act, maybe it wasn’t I don’t know but unfortunately the doubt is there. The one thing that makes me thing he wasn’t in on it, is that he runs a pretty good, profitable game to higher end games. I wouldn’t think it would be worth it to rob your own game but I know these things happens a lot, especially when the management gets hit or beat by the crooks. This is info from one of my friends. Hid dad is a MA cop. According to them it is more likely that management is involved when they are actually hit in the robbery.

So I thought I’d share this with you guys for your own safety (physically and monetarily). Remember that the biggest danger when playing in these clubs is not the police but a robbery.

Gullanian 04-12-2007 10:34 PM

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Cant people pay the game runner for chips in advance and he can hold the money in a safety deposit box somewhere or something? Then cashouts can be done as requested? I wouldn't be comfortable having that much money loose.

Jeff311420 04-12-2007 10:45 PM

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Are there even two black troopers in all of Mass?

notfar 04-13-2007 06:43 AM

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it doesnt make any economic sense for management to be in on it. think it through.

Grasshopp3r 04-13-2007 02:26 PM

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It makes sense that someone knows the management. The theives probably cased the place prior to the act. Proper security procedures would include metal detectors, locked up cash and other measures. This is the prime reason why poker needs to be legalized.

KilgoreTrout 04-13-2007 03:11 PM

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Mesmerized by Grasshopp3r's avatar.... mmm bad girl.

I attended a game similar to the one described just over a year ago with my hombre kdog. Same setup (double doors, cameras, had to call ahead first, complimentary beer and food - no liquor license of course) but I did not feel safe there. The place I went to had no cash on hand - patrons bought chips from the house and the house raked each pot, but the banker only held the buyins. So basically the total cash on hand was equal to the chips in play.

Three young Greek guys ran the game I played at. They claimed to be "connected." The game was great - lots of bad players - but the place didn't feel right. We left early that night (like 11:00) to find a cruiser out front parked behind the line of patrons' cars. Never went back to that game.

I told kdog that though it was exciting to check the place out, Foxwoods is only an hour away. Why take unnecessary risks, especially if you're playing that high.

The Bandit Fish 04-13-2007 04:22 PM

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Just a small gripe, I highly doubt they were carrying fully automatic weapons. If it looked like an M16 it was probably an AR-15, which is a semi-automatic version of the M16/M4.

The guy running it was a fool for not asking to see a warrant. Even SWAT would have a warrant, they would just bust down the door before showing it to you though. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

steamcall 04-13-2007 05:10 PM

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Cant people pay the game runner for chips in advance and he can hold the money in a safety deposit box somewhere or something? Then cashouts can be done as requested? I wouldn't be comfortable having that much money loose.

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Well the club isn't that big. Only two tables on the busy night, usually 1 on most other nights. There is a safe in there but it's never locked. I am sure if the money was locked they were still going to get it.

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Probably you are right, but you can't discard the possiblity because guy running the game doesn't own the whole thing. I'm not even sure what his cut is. Also he could have pockted half the cash and pulled one over on the guys robbing the place. It would be a nice exit strategy. These guys definately had inside info though from someone who plays, worked or played there. To make up for the amount taken would take a few months anyway with expenses. These were pretty big games.

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It makes sense that someone knows the management. The theives probably cased the place prior to the act. Proper security procedures would include metal detectors, locked up cash and other measures. This is the prime reason why poker needs to be legalized.

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Agree on all accounts

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Just a small gripe, I highly doubt they were carrying fully automatic weapons. If it looked like an M16 it was probably an AR-15, which is a semi-automatic version of the M16/M4.

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My bad. I didn't stop to ask if it was the semi automatic or automatic version pointed at my head. I figure the result would be the same just a little less messy with the semi-auto version.

Gullanian 04-13-2007 06:53 PM

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At the end of the day if someone has a semi auto or auto weapon they will still give equal respect!

I know it's late to say, but if theres a police raid phone the police before you let them in and then try to stall! Phone 911 or something and say you are being raided by people dressed as police officers, they will tell you if they are genuine. Perfectly acceptable to phone 911 in that situation.

The Bandit Fish 04-13-2007 08:03 PM

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Just a small gripe, I highly doubt they were carrying fully automatic weapons. If it looked like an M16 it was probably an AR-15, which is a semi-automatic version of the M16/M4.

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My bad. I didn't stop to ask if it was the semi automatic or automatic version pointed at my head. I figure the result would be the same just a little less messy with the semi-auto version.

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It's just a pet peeve of mine, but why assume it's automatic? Why not just say "a gun that looked like an M16." Having a gun of any type pointed at you isn't exactly an experience people are likely to want to have happen to them.

People automatically assume any "military" looking gun is fully automatic.

No, it would be just as messy if they chose to fire with a semi-auto, the mess would just take a little longer to make. The same applies if it were a bolt action (although at least with a bolt action you'd have some time to run!).

Regardless, I'm glad no one tried anything silly and they everyone is alive. Losing some cash is a much better alternative to losing your life.

dcb777 04-14-2007 05:13 AM

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I happen to be good friends with the owner of this "club". He is a complete stand up guy and your accusations are [censored]. You are very far off the mark with your accusations I assure you and can't even belived that you suggest them. Think what you may about what happened but posting lies and nonsense under a fake name gain you no recognition here. I have no idea why this was posted in the first place and hope the whole thread gets deleted.

steamcall 04-14-2007 06:16 AM

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I happen to be good friends with the owner of this "club". He is a complete stand up guy and your accusations are [censored]. You are very far off the mark with your accusations I assure you and can't even belived that you suggest them. Think what you may about what happened but posting lies and nonsense under a fake name gain you no recognition here. I have no idea why this was posted in the first place and hope the whole thread gets deleted.

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Well, I guess it makes me feel a lot better about it that what appears to be a well respected poster is standing up for him. I think it's good that you did. Like I said in my original post I really like the guy too and felt bad for the beating he took. I didn't post any lies, only that I was unsure about it and that any time a club gets hit there is always question about indsider involvement. I wouldn't suggest it except it happens all the time. Certainly there was some insider involvement here, it is just a question of who and how much. Probably it was one indvidual player who got crushed or is just a real douche bag. I don't know and I would hope you don't either.

My reason for posting this is not to gain respect but to inform others who might choose to play in these enviorments of incidents like this because I don't think this is isolated and people like to keep it quite. I understand that but people pay to play in an honest and safe a game as possible. Is it a bad thing to let people know about stuff like this? I will say this I think the likely hood of someone getting serisouly hurt in an indicent like this is low. The crooks just want the money and it is the perfect crime if no one gets hurt and no cops are called. This is the main reason why when an owner gets hit the percentage of times they are in on it goes up.

So moving forward I think this place should be fine if they learn their lesson from this and think through some beefed up security/operational procedures for incidents like this. Hindsight is 20/20 but if the cops were called alot more money would be in poker players hands, not a bunch of guys in ski masks.

steamcall 04-14-2007 06:22 AM

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I was going to edit my original post to reflect dcb777's comments, but I don't see that option.

Anyway I think his comments GREATLY REDUCE the likely hood that managment was involved at all. I don't think my original post accussed him of being in on it, only bring the possiblity into question and I think that is reasonable.

dcb777 04-14-2007 06:56 AM

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Ok steamcall, I respect what you are saying about private clubs in general and protecting people. I was not trying to rip on you personally, but posting what I thought about someone I know. I just wanted to make it clear about the "owner" of this club and how I feel about that which is that he is a stand up guy. Good luck, to everyone in both private and public establishments and always consider the risks.

AJFenix 04-14-2007 11:17 AM

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One or two big Atlanta home games just go on credit. Money isn't brought to the game, the house settles up with people at a later time (and its up to it to cover if someone hasn't settled yet), and everyone is known to be good for it (if they aren't they aren't allowed to play, they are either vouched for by someone else or known by the house to be good for it). A lot of money exchanges hands in these games (as they often play as high as 25/50 uncapped, and with these donks its fairly easy to imagine how crazy that could be). If someone wanted to get in, they could find a way, but I would be a lot more comfortable in a setting like this, even with a very rowdy ATL crowd. Obviously the benefits of this type of game in terms of robberies and police raids are easy to see, and the house has motivation to player select well since if it doesn't it takes the hit.

Ace0fSpades 04-14-2007 11:42 AM

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Wow, this makes me think twice about playing in an underground poker club. Good post.

The Bandit Fish 04-14-2007 05:11 PM

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As I said before, I'm surprised the owner let the people in just because they flashed a badge. No warrant, no entry, period.

*TT* 04-14-2007 11:48 PM

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I was going to edit my original post to reflect dcb777's comments, but I don't see that option.

Anyway I think his comments GREATLY REDUCE the likely hood that managment was involved at all. I don't think my original post accussed him of being in on it, only bring the possiblity into question and I think that is reasonable.

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There was a private room in an obscure area last year whose owners were accused of robbing the joint. The owner was pistole whipped with the but of an uzi, yet he was still accused of a setup by the other underground room owners. Think about it, would you allow yourself to get whipped for 90k+++? Apparently he did if the accusations are true.

PS: This thread just got moved to B&M, as a reminder we can only discuss this topic without details as per the B&M FAQ, this is the policy to assure the players, employees and owners of the card room are all safe. Also keep in mind that its possible the robbers read 2+2, often when private card rooms are robbed its an inside job - a sad but true fact.

cardcounter0 04-15-2007 12:03 AM

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The guy running it was a fool for not asking to see a warrant. Even SWAT would have a warrant, they would just bust down the door before showing it to you though.


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Yeah, because when asked for a warrant the crooks with guns would have to sheepishly look at each other, than say sorry we don't have one, and slowly shuffle out, with heads hung low. Their perfect plan to rob the place with guns foiled due to lack of warrant.

*TT* 04-15-2007 12:29 AM

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The guy running it was a fool for not asking to see a warrant. Even SWAT would have a warrant, they would just bust down the door before showing it to you though.


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Yeah, because when asked for a warrant the crooks with guns would have to sheepishly look at each other, than say sorry we don't have one, and slowly shuffle out, with heads hung low. Their perfect plan to rob the place with guns foiled due to lack of warrant.

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There was no warrant shown in the raid I was caught in, I think thats an incorrect argument - police can raid without a warrant if they believe there is criminal activity currently taking place.

Durs522 04-15-2007 12:41 AM

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The guy running it was a fool for not asking to see a warrant. Even SWAT would have a warrant, they would just bust down the door before showing it to you though.


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Yeah, because when asked for a warrant the crooks with guns would have to sheepishly look at each other, than say sorry we don't have one, and slowly shuffle out, with heads hung low. Their perfect plan to rob the place with guns foiled due to lack of warrant.

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There was no warrant shown in the raid I was caught in, I think thats an incorrect argument - police can raid without a warrant if they believe there is criminal activity currently taking place.

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In the two raids I was involved in the police never showed a warrant to the owners. Hopefully situations like the one in the OP don't become a problem.

Also, a club I used to frequent was robbed numerous times, maybe 3, within a 6 month time period. Needless to say I didn't go there after the first one. Rumor around the circuit was that one of the owners was involved. He was punched in the face on one occasion which may or may not be the same one that TT referred to.

Robberies are an unfortunate part of the underground scene. By playing in these clubs you inherently assume the risk of being robbed/raided. To me this is an argument for playing in smaller home games or casinos. It isn't worth it to me to get shot or beat up just to play poker.

pokerswami 04-15-2007 05:30 AM

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Anyway, we were sitting there playing and the guy running the games announced “the police are here”.
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They cut up the pants on everyone and took all their cash.
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So they found all the money, probably in the neighborhood of 50-60K. Then just like that they all ran out the back door. All that was left was a group of tied up poker players with all their money gone and pants cut up. Pretty humiliating actually.
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They were all broke but unharmed.
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I'm kind of surprised you continued the story in the third person.

What happened to you? What about your pants? What about your money? How much money did you take to the game. How much of it did you lose?

You didn't say anything about valuables other than cash. What about credit cards, walllets, watches, and jewelry? After all, you say everyone was tied up and their pockets were cut open. They must have rifled through the wallets, otherwise how could they have taken "all their cash."

Seems like this story would have included details such as how much you were up or down in the game, and how many chips of yours went uncashed.

GTL 04-15-2007 06:11 AM

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it makes sense to physically assault the manager if he is in on the crime. at least from movies i have watched.

i guess the lesson here is to leave the manager unscathed so he is free to run another game. then when that one gets robbed he is [censored] out of luck.

on a serious note, i bet it is scary as hell to have someone point a rifle at you.

SweetLuckyMe 04-15-2007 07:44 AM

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That fact is what makes me confident that it was an inside job. There's just no other explaination for letting them in without a warrant. If I were in that game the owner and my hired associates would have an extremely serious confrontation.

El_Hombre_Grande 04-15-2007 09:00 AM

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You've got posters suggesting that management MUST be in on it because they didn't demand to see a warrant and others saying its such a stand up establishment that they COULDN'T be in on it. This just underscores what a risk these places are, you can never really be confident of security/ and or angle-shooting.

philr 04-15-2007 09:45 AM

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Do any of you manage your home games online? if so try googling your screen name - you may be amazed. It take less that a few minutes to find home games in your area, what the buy in is and how many people are going to be there. Home games are a really soft target and it is happening more and more.

Packard 04-15-2007 11:03 AM

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Why play poker in Boston? Drive or take a bus to Foxwoods.

*TT* 04-15-2007 11:05 AM

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That fact is what makes me confident that it was an inside job. There's just no other explanation for letting them in without a warrant. If I were in that game the owner and my hired associates would have an extremely serious confrontation.

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In a prior post I explained that the police do not need a warrant if they believe a crime is being committed. Your theory is out the window.

Joe Tall 04-15-2007 02:04 PM

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Think about it, would you allow yourself to get whipped for 90k+++?

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People have let others do worse to them for less.

mmcd 04-15-2007 03:08 PM

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The guy running it was a fool for not asking to see a warrant. Even SWAT would have a warrant, they would just bust down the door before showing it to you though.


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Yeah, because when asked for a warrant the crooks with guns would have to sheepishly look at each other, than say sorry we don't have one, and slowly shuffle out, with heads hung low. Their perfect plan to rob the place with guns foiled due to lack of warrant.

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There was no warrant shown in the raid I was caught in, I think thats an incorrect argument - police can raid without a warrant if they believe there is criminal activity currently taking place.

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No. Especially not in the circumstances here. Cops can knock on the door and make arrests if someone lets them in and they observe illegal activities, but if they kick down the door without a warrant, the cases against whoever they decide to charge will get tossed once they hit court.

Cops can only kick down doors without warrants if they are in hot pursuit of a fleeing suspect, they believe a person is in danger, or they witnessed criminal activity taking place, and the evidence will likely be destroyed during the time it takes to get a warrant.

Also, in the raid you were caught in, they probably had a warrant, but just didn't show it. Having a warrant is more important to the court cases later than it is to conducting the actual raid.

*TT* 04-15-2007 03:17 PM

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The guy running it was a fool for not asking to see a warrant. Even SWAT would have a warrant, they would just bust down the door before showing it to you though.


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Yeah, because when asked for a warrant the crooks with guns would have to sheepishly look at each other, than say sorry we don't have one, and slowly shuffle out, with heads hung low. Their perfect plan to rob the place with guns foiled due to lack of warrant.

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There was no warrant shown in the raid I was caught in, I think thats an incorrect argument - police can raid without a warrant if they believe there is criminal activity currently taking place.

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No. Especially not in the circumstances here. Cops can knock on the door and make arrests if someone lets them in and they observe illegal activities, but if they kick down the door without a warrant, the cases against whoever they decide to charge will get tossed once they hit court.

Cops can only kick down doors without warrants if they are in hot pursuit of a fleeing suspect, they believe a person is in danger, or they witnessed criminal activity taking place, and the evidence will likely be destroyed during the time it takes to get a warrant.

Also, in the raid you were caught in, they probably had a warrant, but just didn't show it. Having a warrant is more important to the court cases later than it is to conducting the actual raid.

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1) There is never a warrant in NYC raids, its an argument that has been used by lawyers representing the arrested parties spending nights in Toombs before, but it never works. They send in an undercover cop first. This is also how its been done in NYC and Dallas first, there is already witness of a criminal act. For more on this experience, i suggest reading Limit King NYC's blog

2) In the NYC there are visits and there are raids. Visits happen too often, usually they claim they got a call that someone has a gun. What that really means is that they know the room exists, and they are visiting to verify how many players are there in preparation to send in an undercover cop(sometimes they are the girlscouts looking to sell some cookies if you know what i mean my man - that can get expensive of course).

Of course NYC underground clubs barely exist now, and raids on the remaining few rarely occur because outsiders are no longer let in.

mmcd 04-15-2007 03:46 PM

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They send in an undercover cop first.

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If the club refused entry to the initial undercover cop, then the rest wouldn't be able to come in without a warrant. Once you let one cop in, he can "call in" as much back up as wants if he sees illegal activity.

*TT* 04-15-2007 03:49 PM

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If the club refused entry to the initial undercover cop, then the rest wouldn't be able to come in without a warrant. Once you let one cop in, he can "call in" as much back up as wants if he sees illegal activity.

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The undercovers come into the clubs days or weeks in advance in NYC.

Mr Rick 04-15-2007 03:50 PM

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I'm gonna guess that warrants are a moot point anyway. Police intent is rarely to arrest Johns - and as for management, I would think the financial losses would be the hammer in these cases. When at Foxwoods, I was playing with a guy who said he ran a poker club in an area in which they were illegal. I asked him about raids and he said that he pays Vice off so he gets tipped when raids are going to occur. His claim was that his players would get their money back after the raid was over. On the flip side of that coin, I had heard that during a "police" raid a player lost all his chips/cash which included ~$1,500 stake and ~$3,500 in profits to that point.

RR 04-15-2007 04:57 PM

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His claim was that his players would get their money back after the raid was over.

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When I knew peopel that were associated with illegal clubs they always would get money to pay the palyers after a raid. When they reopened they would always be crowded becasue peopel came to get back their money. Sometimes the first game back woudl be played with cash isntead of chips and use the first nights rake to have new chips made.

SweetLuckyMe 04-15-2007 07:52 PM

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In a prior post I explained that the police do not need a warrant if they believe a crime is being committed. Your theory is out the window.

[/ QUOTE ] Horse pucky. He apparently made no attempt to stall them or validate their identities. Is not a rake being taken? Is the club not responsible for best efforts in the safety and security of the players and their money? Is there not a big steel door, as described earlier in this post?

For the owner of the club to simply flip the door open and subject the patrons to that is inexcusable. Period. His ass should be held accountable.

BK1248 04-15-2007 08:22 PM

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u shouldnt have posted this, very dumb , i was there and didnt tell one person as we all agreed upon, and u go and spread these rumors, at least dont be a puss and say who u are

BK1248 04-15-2007 08:29 PM

Re: Boston Area Poker Club Robbed
 
management had nothing to do with it, they have credibility to keep upstanding, u think they give a ish about robbing us for 15k, ur stupid to even suggest it and sound like the losers from foxwoods

frommagio 04-15-2007 09:56 PM

Re: Boston Area Poker Club Robbed
 
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Anyway, we were sitting there playing and the guy running the games announced “the police are here”.
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They cut up the pants on everyone and took all their cash.
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So they found all the money, probably in the neighborhood of 50-60K. Then just like that they all ran out the back door. All that was left was a group of tied up poker players with all their money gone and pants cut up. Pretty humiliating actually.
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They were all broke but unharmed.
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I'm kind of surprised you continued the story in the third person.

What happened to you? What about your pants? What about your money? How much money did you take to the game. How much of it did you lose?

Seems like this story would have included details such as how much you were up or down in the game, and how many chips of yours went uncashed.

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LOL. This genius wants a trip report. Any memorable hands? Bad beats? How were the sandwiches?

Mr Rick 04-15-2007 10:24 PM

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management had nothing to do with it, they have credibility to keep upstanding, u think they give a ish about robbing us for 15k, ur stupid to even suggest it and sound like the losers from foxwoods

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As a loser from Foxwoods I would resent that last remark if I was bright enough to pick it up. To the original point, it reminds me of prohibition and police raids. Many speakeasys had back doors/secret passageways so that they could let patrons escape while stalling the "police". Anyway, it seems that there was no other way out, so stalling those guys with guns would only make them mad.


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