THEORY QUESTION: Which flops are best to float on?
 

Assume that the Villain is the kinda person who you should float. He raises a large % of his hands, has a 100% continuation bet stat, but almost never double barrells and gives up on the turn a ton.

Villain opens in CO. You call on the button and the blinds fold.

Rate the following flops in order from your favorite to worse to float on:
A) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
B) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
C) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
D) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
E) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

In other words, do you like wet or dry flops to float on?

Re: THEORY QUESTION: Which flops are best to float on?
 

depends what hand i have. if you mean like a pure float (ie. like total air) then i'd float the K27/572 boards more probably.

i would flat call (float) with hands like 88 on the JJ2 board and probably check the turn behind (sometimes bet).

i like raising the A43[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] board alot and the J7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 board. puts some nasty decisions for villan.

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K27, A43, 572, J76, JJ2. I'd raise all of these some, but it kinda depends on my holding obviously.

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i would flat call (float) with hands like 88 on the JJ2 board and probably check the turn behind (sometimes bet).

[/ QUOTE ] Sorry to hijack, but I dont like the turn check behind. If youre checking the turn behind, its because you think you are ahead and want to get to showdown, right? Well, I think youre losing value if this is the case. Bet the turn and hope he calls with Ax or whatever, because he isnt calling a river bet or betting himself unless he hits, so the turn check is essentially -EV. I think bet the turn and check the river. Thoughts?

Re: THEORY QUESTION: Which flops are best to float on?
 

A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

Re: THEORY QUESTION: Which flops are best to float on?
 

casper,
i doubt he c/cs that turn with Ax. and i think that sometimes you can get a bet from villan with his whatever hands, hoping you'll fold precisely your 88. but it depends on image and what you think of each other obviously.

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A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

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No, I'd rather just call since he doesn't double-barrell.

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A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

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Why raise the flop? If he almost never double barrels then we can find out for cheaper that he whiffed if he checks the turn. Then the turn bet becomes less risky than a flop raise unless he likes to C/R a lot of turns to counter floats.

"He raises a large % of his hands, has a 100% continuation bet stat, but almost never double barrells and gives up on the turn a ton."

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A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

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Why do you like D for floating on. I figure that is one that I might stay away from, since most bad villains don't fold Aces. But this passive player might slow down on the turn.

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A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

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Why do you like D for floating on. I figure that is one that I might stay away from, since most bad villains don't fold Aces. But this passive player might slow down on the turn. Not sure really.

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Sure he won't fold an ace, but he is betting with every hand he has on the flop, which means the vast majority of the time he doesn't have an ace to begin with.

Re: THEORY QUESTION: Which flops are best to float on?
 

orange, fair enough...that is exactly what I used to think but somebody (cant remember who) and I exchanged posts and I ended up changing my mind...now I am confused again.

So are you only hoping to get value from a bluff? I guess bet turn vs passives and check it vs TAGs???

Re: THEORY QUESTION: Which flops are best to float on?
 

You have to raise him sometimes on the flop, you can't always wait for the turn, because you are gonna raise the nuts (sometimes) and you have to balance

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orange, fair enough...that is exactly what I used to think but somebody (cant remember who) and I exchanged posts and I ended up changing my mind...now I am confused again.

So are you only hoping to get value from a bluff? I guess bet turn vs passives and check it vs TAGs???

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betting the turn is fine to give more credit to your floats (ie. mixing your ranges to where your betting the turn with your stronger hands and not just air), but checking the turn is usually my std.

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A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

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No, I'd rather just call since he doesn't double-barrell.

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yes, but if he doesnt double barell and gives up on a lot of turns he will probaby give up on the flop since he doesnt ever have much. agree?

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A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

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No, I'd rather just call since he doesn't double-barrell.

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yes, but if he doesnt double barell and gives up on a lot of turns he will probaby give up on the flop since he doesnt ever have much. agree?

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Yes, he'll often fold to the flop raise too. However, the point is that against a player who is as predictable as the one described, it is cheaper to bluff call than to bluff raise, but we find out the same information either way.

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you have to bet on the turn to make him fold right? why not do it now?

sorry for derailing this good thread, but im curious of this as well. instead of flaoting why not raise?

Re: THEORY QUESTION: Which flops are best to float on?
 

Isn't it obvious?

If you raise the flop when he cbets, you are risking the size of your raise. He calls/reraises if he has a monster, folds if he doesn't. If you float, he check/folds the turn and you take down the pot without risk(because you are assuming 1/2-full pot bet will almost guarantee he folds and that he wouldn't check the turn on any reasonable hand)

Re: THEORY QUESTION: Which flops are best to float on?
 

I like a raise a lot more than a float against this type of player. If you pick your spots right, you'll get them frustrated enough to get paid in spots you shouldn't.

i hate floating, its rare where you'll find me doing so

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1 is good, 2 is bad bc everyone takes a pair to showdown and if the flush misses some ppl like showing down ace high, 3 is very bad, 4 is ok, 5 is bad.