KJs turn play
 

villan seems tighter than most, taggy i think. not really positive. hero has a decent image.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.50/$1 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $100</font>
<font color="black">BB: $48.55</font>
UTG: $47.50
MP: $272.40
CO: $49.55
<font color="black">BTN: $109</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, Hero calls $3, BB calls $2.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($10.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $8</font>, Hero calls $8, BB folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($26.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ...c/r or c/c

Re: KJs turn play
 

c/c

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c/c. You won't fold better hands here.

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k std c/c then.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.50/$1 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $100</font>
<font color="black">BB: $48.55</font>
UTG: $47.50
MP: $272.40
CO: $49.55
<font color="black">BTN: $109</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, Hero calls $3, BB calls $2.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($10.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $8</font>, Hero calls $8, BB folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($26.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $23</font>, Hero calls $23

<font color="black">River:</font> ($72.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets...?

lookit stack sizes too.

Re: KJs turn play
 

I like c/c too.
I lead 1/2 pot here and cry if he raises. Actually pushing is probably better as it looks like you could be bluffing a missed straight draw and you'll still get looked up by KK,AA.

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I still C/C that river.

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Are you calling flop everytime here orange? I dunno if I am...
I prob just call turn aswell, you might aswell push river cause if your raised youll have to call anyways.

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I still C/C that river.

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It's funny, this is what I'd probably do in reality, but I think we're leaving a lot of value by checking. If he pushes here are we calling anyway? That would be gross.

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I still C/C that river.

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It's funny, this is what I'd probably do in reality, but I think we're leaving a lot of value by checking. If he pushes here are we calling anyway? That would be gross.

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I agree to some extent concerning leaving value, but betting that river weakly is a recipe to be outplayed if you plan on folding to a shove. Keep in mind, we might have been behind this entire hand.

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c/c turn push river sounds sexy

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I still C/C that river.

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It's funny, this is what I'd probably do in reality, but I think we're leaving a lot of value by checking. If he pushes here are we calling anyway? That would be gross.

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I agree to some extent concerning leaving value, but betting that river weakly is a recipe to be outplayed if you plan on folding to a shove. Keep in mind, we might have been behind this entire hand.

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Do you really think we get outplayed by a worse hand on this river??? That seems very improbable. TJ???

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c/c turn push river sounds sexy

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This is what I would do. Our hand is pretty well disguised and it looks like a bluff to a lot of villains.

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I still C/C that river.

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It's funny, this is what I'd probably do in reality, but I think we're leaving a lot of value by checking. If he pushes here are we calling anyway? That would be gross.

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I agree to some extent concerning leaving value, but betting that river weakly is a recipe to be outplayed if you plan on folding to a shove. Keep in mind, we might have been behind this entire hand.

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Do you really think we get outplayed by a worse hand on this river??? That seems very improbable. TJ???

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Not necessarily... but the fact that we could have been very far behind from the flop onwards makes me want to play conservatively on the river.

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The more I think about it, pushing on the second J screams bluff. standard

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MJ, QQ seems like only likely hand betting this strong that beats us. I think the J on river commits us to putting our stack in the pot.

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What if we lead turn ?

It may scare a few hands into folding or going passive and having it go check check on the river, and we could see a river a lot cheaper than calling a pot-sized ($23/$26.50) bet.

If he does just call I think a lot of the times when we hit one of our outs we're going to get paid off pretty well when we lead river.

If we get raised we can either safely fold knowing we're pretty far behind and there aren't a lot of rivers that are going to help us, or if we're feeling lucky we can shove over the 2 bet.

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Am I the only one here that doesn't see the value of pre-flop call? We need to have a huge bluffing equity on flop to make it +EV.

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Shove river

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Is turn call spew if we don't feel villain would bet here with a worse hand?

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i c/c turn praying for this Jack or a flush obv. lead rivar for a little less than half pot or shove river depending on table image. Im paying off a shove over the top of my river bet.

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c/c. You won't fold better hands here.

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I actually like a turn check raise. I think you get AJ, AQ, KQ, KK, AA to fold here and those hands make up a lot of his turn betting range.

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I would probably c/r turn, lead river.

Cut self if raised.

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Lead because he's going to slow-down and you'll miss value from his 2pair and he's not calling a c/r with worse or folding better.

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I would probably c/r turn, lead river.

Cut self if raised.

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c/r is okay, but leading missed rivers is spewin.'

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I would probably c/r turn, lead river.

Cut self if raised.

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c/r is okay, but leading missed rivers is spewin.'

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Right, should have clarified that when the J hits I think a river lead is in order.

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I probably check/call river. If we push river I don't think he's calling with a lot that we beat unless he is a poor player. I like giving villian a chance to bluff or think he is value betting when he is behind. That being said betting the river is fine too.

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to those who say c/r turn/lead river...

what would you c/r turn to, given stack sizes? looks like a c/shove to me, no?

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to those who say c/r turn/lead river...

what would you c/r turn to, given stack sizes? looks like a c/shove to me, no?

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indeed it is a check/shove for those taking that line.

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to those who say c/r turn/lead river...

what would you c/r turn to, given stack sizes? looks like a c/shove to me, no?

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I've never been a big fan of CRAI on this type of board on the turn. This board has hit a lot of hands. We have to put villian on a bluff a relatively high portion of the time for us to be good. I think all two pairs are calling us.