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Osprey 04-10-2007 02:12 AM

Aces OOP after big preflop reraise.
 
Was hoping I was ahead, but I wasn't sure where I was at. Should I play it different? Bet more on flop?
Villain is 37/14/2.8 Had not noticed anything special.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($228.80)
UTG+1 ($37)
MP1 ($197)
MP2 ($147.50)
MP3 ($115.55)
CO ($229.50)
Button ($108)
Hero ($274.20)
BB ($474.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $6, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $31</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $25, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($70) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $45</font>, MP1 calls $45.

Turn: ($160) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $87</font>, MP1 calls $87.

River: ($334) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $38</font>, MP1 calls $34 (All-In).


Edited: Accidentally gave result
Final Pot: $406

bottomset 04-10-2007 02:25 AM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
I would have RR a litle less preflop

bet a little more on the flop(% of the pot)
shoved the turn

Osprey 04-10-2007 02:39 AM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
My theory with aces and kings is becoming get enough money in preflop to where you can't make a mistake when they call and stack you. The size of my reraise was designed for that- also because I was OOP.

Jurrr 04-10-2007 02:51 AM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
Looks fine to me.

demon102 04-10-2007 03:00 AM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
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Looks fine to me.

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pre looks about perfect and so does flop, turn cant really give him credit for much but if he does idk tell u the truth, fist 2 streets are good.

viper930 04-10-2007 07:08 AM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
pre and flop are fine, stackadonk turn is fine as is betting your amount or pushing.

it's really hard to [censored] up this hand

Bianculli 04-10-2007 09:08 AM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
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pre and flop are fine, stackadonk turn is fine as is betting your amount or pushing.

it's really hard to [censored] up this hand

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diebitter 04-10-2007 10:15 AM

Re: Aces OOP after big preflop reraise.
 
Your PF way too strong. That just encourages good play with mediocre hands (folding).

Good else.

JJ, amirite?

Jurrr 04-10-2007 10:20 AM

Re: Aces OOP after big preflop reraise.
 
But don't we need to raise enough preflop so that we can stack off with no worries about having given set odds afterwards? This is a multi-way pot so if we raise to $24 then MP1 may be calling for $18 to potentially stack both of you for $315 and there is already $75 in the pot...

Or is that weak-tight thinking and real men can get away from overpairs even in 3-bet pots when their beat and stack off when not?

Landlord79 04-10-2007 11:10 AM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
Play looks good to me!

Osprey 04-10-2007 12:09 PM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
Villain called me with J-10. Zoiks.

diebitter 04-10-2007 12:14 PM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
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Villain called me with J-10. Zoiks.

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wow what a tool. I hope you added him to buddy list. You'll get your money back.

ps. obv never listen to anything I say.

iponnet 04-10-2007 12:29 PM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
I like how he didnt push for the remaining 34dollars on the turn and waited until the river LMAO. like the OP would have folded to the AI raise at that point, a true noob.

Osprey 04-10-2007 02:06 PM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
I was hoping against hope he had 10s through Qs, but I was thinking that 7s-9s fit his call of a preflop raise and then call of the big reraise. I think I gave him less than 7:1 to stack me, so he clearly made a mistake, but Iwanted to slow down, I just couldn't figure out how to do it OOP, which is why the piecemeal betting....

nation 04-10-2007 02:09 PM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
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Your PF way too strong.

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No way, I like this bet amount when you have a raise and a call. You can't price people in to set mine. The raise should be at least to 30.

Flop I bet more like 50-55 to protect from a 6 or a 10, turn I shove against an opponent like this. Pretty similar to your line.

diebitter 04-10-2007 02:15 PM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
You guys don't make much from Aces, I suspect [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Osprey 04-10-2007 02:30 PM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
4.05 BB/hand. What's average?

nation 04-10-2007 03:27 PM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
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You guys don't make much from Aces, I suspect [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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You would suspect wrong. I love when people make small 3-bets and I have pairs, so I'm priced in to set mine and stack them. The object is to make them make mistakes; if they're priced in, they're not making one.

Jurrr 04-10-2007 03:30 PM

Re: Lost with Aces after big preflop reraise.
 
Carter, can you elaborate on my question from above, please?

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But don't we need to raise enough preflop so that we can stack off with no worries about having given set odds afterwards? This is a multi-way pot so if we raise to $24 then MP1 may be calling for $18 to potentially stack both of you for $315 and there is already $75 in the pot...

Or is that weak-tight thinking and real men can get away from overpairs even in 3-bet pots when their beat and stack off when not?

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How do you play aces on a low flop if you've priced them in for set mining?


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