Strange Ruling on EPT Dead Chip Pile
 

The tournament started off 10-handed, and the player four to my right was absent. When the blinds reached 100-200, and this guy had a fair number of chips yet to be blinded out, a tournament manager/director came over and starting removing his chips. I complained vocally, since the luck of the draw added dead money to our table, while meanwhile this poor gentleman could still show up and be a reasonable contender after a little gambling. He had, after all, ponied up 10k euros to play...

Only one other player spoke up about this, and we were ignored -- was my complaint unreasonable?

Unrelated note: I greatly enjoyed reading Adam's report of the tournament, and wish I managed to catch the 3 5 vs A J hand -- what a call!

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very strange and non-standard

lame for you, extremely lame for him if he came back

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i'd guess they didnt get the 10k from him. if he never checked in or anything, or even if they did get teh1 0k, but then never heard from him, they coulda pulled him out. I dont think thats non-standard. Didnt they do something like this for Jeff Williams when he overslept day1a at PCA? and they just moved him to day1b after blinding down a stack for him?

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No. They do the same thing in the WSOP ME after some period of time. They will not let a full 10k stack blind off.

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what would have happened if the guy showed up real late?

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similar thing happened at my starting table at pca, some guy didnt show and his stack got blinded of for an hour or 2 and then tourney staff came and took it off the table

i thought it was weird but didnt say anything since it was my first live tourney and i thought it might be standard.

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What about phil. He always shows up late.

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No. They do the same thing in the WSOP ME after some period of time. They will not let a full 10k stack blind off.

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i Saw a dead stack get blinded out on Ivey's table sometime after midnight day 1

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i'd guess they didnt get the 10k from him. if he never checked in or anything, or even if they did get teh1 0k, but then never heard from him, they coulda pulled him out. I dont think thats non-standard. Didnt they do something like this for Jeff Williams when he overslept day1a at PCA? and they just moved him to day1b after blinding down a stack for him?

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yes they did

<3 ps

Re: Strange Ruling on EPT Dead Chip Pile
 

Hi Colin,

The same thing happened at my table too, and later I asked Thomas, the
TD, about this. He explained it to me as follows:

The chips are placed on the table and are blinded off whether or not a player
actually paid the 10,000 euro entry fee. This is done so that a place is reserved for any late comers who may choose to register. So if someone
walks in off the street without having pre-registered and wishes to play,
he can just pay his 10 grand and take that seat.

When the blinds reach 100 200, the late registration period ends and those
chips are removed. Thomas assured me that had those chips been bought
and paid for by a player who had registered but for some reason failed to
showup, then they would remain on the table and be blinded off throughout
the whole tournament.


Jonathan

Re: Strange Ruling on EPT Dead Chip Pile
 

Do they try to make some sort of adjustment regarding moving players in cases like this? Remember last year when Gavin Smith had a 'dead stack' just to his left (I think that was a 6-max tourney but it still applies). All the other players relentlessly attacked GS's small blind, Gavin eventually makes a stand that he may not have normally made, etc. Seems like they should move a dead stack whenever possible (when moving players)...both to more evenly distribute the chips to other tables and to prevent putting someone in a bad table position for an extended time.

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Do they try to make some sort of adjustment regarding moving players in cases like this? Remember last year when Gavin Smith had a 'dead stack' just to his left (I think that was a 6-max tourney but it still applies). All the other players relentlessly attacked GS's small blind, Gavin eventually makes a stand that he may not have normally made, etc. Seems like they should move a dead stack whenever possible (when moving players)...both to more evenly distribute the chips to other tables and to prevent putting someone in a bad table position for an extended time.

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I think that if he had adjusted properly to this, it could have been profitable. Seems like he just picked a bad spot to take a stand.

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I read a lot of articles last year about the extra chips in the WSOP ME, a number of them talked about how dead stacks are removed from play and not fully blinded off. Here is a quote from one I founds after a quick google...

From Poker News-

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Dead Stacks:

In your local card room tournament, starting chip stacks are placed at available seats. If seats remain unoccupied, the "dead" stacks are blinded off and eventually removed from play, usually at the first break. There were no dead stacks in the Main Event of the WSOP. In fact, there were alternates seated each of the four Day Ones, which is how a room that seats only 2,080 players was able to accommodate 8,773 starters. No stack was blinded off unless the floor staff had verified with the registration desk that the seat had been paid for and assigned to a player. We witnessed this verification process on Day 1B and know this procedure was followed on all four Day Ones.

That being said, there was some evidence that a few stacks may have been blinded off in error. At least one player changed his starting day from Day 1A to Day 1C and through a clerical error he was still given a seat on Day 1A and his stack was completely blinded off. There are rumors that this may have happened more than once and that not all emergency cancellations and refunds were reflected in Harrah's registration database. But media who were in the tournament room did not report more than one empty seat in any of the four Day Ones and one of those players, Jennifer Leigh, actually showed up 5 ½ hours late and played her stack. If we factor in this mostly anecdotal evidence and err on the conservative side, we could be persuaded that 50,000 extra chips may have been introduced in error via the registration process

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Thomas assured me that had those chips been bought
and paid for by a player who had registered but for some reason failed to showup, then they would remain on the table and be blinded off throughout the whole tournament.


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OK, good to know, and props for getting a real explanation!

Interesting stories from the WSOP as well.

Best Regards,
Collin