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$2/$5 $200 max buy in at the Chumash Casino, in Santa Ynez, CA

Villain has been pretty agro both pre and post flop, sometimes in bad spots, but hasn't done anything too terrible.

He's been pretty loose pre-flop with both calls and open raises.

I've been running good, and have built my stack up to ~$1K, winning a lot of pots without showdowns, but showing down winners in the big pots. I've re-raised him a few times pre, and a few times on the flop, to which he has folded.

It's getting late and the game is starting to break, and we're down to 4 handed for about 20 hands or so, with nothing terribly interesting happening.

He's cbet every HU pot so far, tonight.

He opens on the CO to $25 with ~$500 behind. I CC on the button with A5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and we take the flop HU.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (~55)
Villian checks, I check.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (~55)
<font color="red">Villian bets $60</font>, I call.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (~175)
<font color="red">Villian bets $100</font>

He has ~$300 behind, after his bet.

Aces Up $2/$5 Live
 

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"Villain has been pretty agro both pre and post flop,

He's cbet every HU pot so far, tonight."

I think a little alarm would go off at the back of my head after flop play and wanna just call... Live players are notoriously weak on boards like this (ie they dont vb enough on them) in my experience.

Also if you shove and he doubles, it sucks trying to cover again.

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oh ya, i thought it was obvious but, since they dont VB enough on those boards, he probably has something ridiculous (ie some sort of boat or a straight), and if he has air or an equivalent hand (ie one that wont call a raise, such as kk) theres no value in raising

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yes I realize 2pair aces n fives beats hands such as AQ, AK, A7

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Looks like a pretty thin value push to me. You are not getting many (or any?) calls by worse hands. And while unlikely, it is not completely unrealistic that he beats you.

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i prefer pushin allin on the river.
maybe he will call with ak aq...

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Looks like a pretty easy call to me. Your hand is too strong to fold (AJ+ are still in his range) but too weak to push for value, especially since the river is scary for every one of Villain's holdings except the ones that have you beat.

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Move it in

Can he really fold AK/AQ there? But you so obviously missed a flush draw!

Basically I think you have a ton of value, let him find a reason to make a bad call.

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I'd feel extraordinarily weak, but probably just call since you'd need a helluva an image to get paid off with a push here (not that you're behind very often, but since I think it gets paid off so little, the reward isn't worth the risk, since some of his range crushes you obv- but man.. that turn bet is weird)

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zomgjim, this is a push like 112% of the time.

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i am very confused as to why we wouldnt push the river. what are you putting him on thats a boat? A2? I shove here if he flopped it he flopped it.

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i don't like a push here - it's not one of those spots where he thinks he can split, and you can easily have something like A4 - everyone did notice the one card straight, right? Does call turn, shove rive really look like a bluff, and is this a good bluffing spot?

IMO, the flop action makes it very difficult to sell a bluff.

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Looks like he has AQ or AK, so valueshove. Your hand is so disguised.

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i am very confused as to why we wouldnt push the river. what are you putting him on thats a boat? A2? I shove here if he flopped it he flopped it.

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yuck

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To those saying call because he wont get called by anything worse........that advice is really awful. Jim's range here is much broader then A's up/straight. Missed flush draws, weak aces, and air compile much of his range. He should get looked up here much more often then not.

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Often people who cbet like its their job will check with a hand like AQ on flops like this, especially if their cbets have been working.

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at first i thought just call, but I think a shove is fine, mostly because he'll put you on a missed draw often enough, if you have the right image.

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Live Question:
If I think that I can get a good feel for where he's at, with some table banter, should I make it, even if I think that he will likely interpret my banter as strength?

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Live Question:
If I think that I can get a good feel for where he's at, with some table banter, should I make it, even if I think that he will likely interpret my banter as strength?

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Seems like doing so would set him up to fold the very hands that you're considering a value bet against.

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If you want him to call, i'd probably be as silent and nervous-looking as possible.

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looks like a close push

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Live Question:
If I think that I can get a good feel for where he's at, with some table banter, should I make it, even if I think that he will likely interpret my banter as strength?

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If table banter will help you assess accurately where you are at, and villain is able to act on his read of strength and only call a river raise here with better hands, you will usually be only folding or calling, but you will know which is better more accurately after you interact with him.

It looks like a close shove and the info you want to get probably "costs" too much to acquire.

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I crane my neck over to look at his stack, and count out a call.

I (perhaps stupidly) ask him if he has a monster. I expect him to chuckle a little bit, if he does, and stare at me stone faced if he doesn't.

He gives me the stone face, so I shove.

He tanks for like a minute, and mucks.


In retrospect, I think the table banter was a mistake. I should have just counted out chips or something, or just done nothing.

I'm still not sure if I like the raise or not, without a live read, and I felt kinda dirty when I made it, even with one. I think the chance that I run into Aces full or Quads or something are probably too high, and the chances that he has something like AK/AQ and makes a call with it are too small, in retrospect.

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I crane my neck over to look at his stack, and count out a call.

I (perhaps stupidly) ask him if he has a monster. I expect him to chuckle a little bit, if he does, and stare at me stone faced if he doesn't.

He gives me the stone face, so I shove.

He tanks for like a minute, and mucks.


In retrospect, I think the table banter was a mistake. I should have just counted out chips or something, or just done nothing.

I'm still not sure if I like the raise or not, without a live read, and I felt kinda dirty when I made it, too. I think the chance that I run into Aces full or Quads or something are probably too high, and the chances that he has something like AK/AQ and makes a call with it are too small, in retrospect.

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100% agreed. All these 'you get called by AK' posts are forgetting that every better hand calls as well.

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I realize now my table banter would be better if this were a fold/call spot instead of a call/raise spot.

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I'm sort of confused by villian's check on the flop is he has been cbetting every hand.

I'm not a fan of talking during big hands, mostly because I'm not sure how to obtain the result I want.

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I'm sort of confused by villian's check on the flop is he has been cbetting every hand.

I'm not a fan of talking during big hands, mostly because I'm not sure how to obtain the result I want.

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zomg sneaky? these players exist.. everywhere

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I'm not a fan of talking during big hands, mostly because I'm not sure how to obtain the result I want.

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Against a lot of players, you can get so much info.

Sometimes, you give away too much, though.

I mostly use it vs players that I don't respect much.

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I realize now my table banter would be better if this were a fold/call spot instead of a call/raise spot.

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Aye.

Though I don't think you run into a boat too often for this bet to be profitable.