Phil Gordon Says Bluff Magazine Best in Industry. WTF??!!
 

I was over at ESPN Radio.com last night listening to the latest (3/28/07) edition of Phil Gordons radio show, The Poker Edge. He interviewed Eric Morris the co-owner of Bluff Magazine.

Phil said a number of times that Bluff was the "best poker magazine on the market" and "best poker magazine in the industry." Are you kidding me?? Cardplayer is MUCH BETTER than Bluff.

When you read Cardplayer there are always a number of well written technical articles on poker that can help you improve your game, rather than a bunch of stupid poker foolishness. But what about Bluff?? Here are a few articles that appeared in the January 2007 issue:

--Irrelevent poker backchat,

--Pamela Anderson drops in for a chat,

--Bar Bets: the Perfect Match,

--Poker Like a Rockstar: Antonio Hit Europe,

--Jennifier discovers the seedier side of Sin City,

and so it goes, all the issue are like this. Even when they attempt to do a technical article the caliber is usually low and not even close to that of Cardplayer. And no, I have nothing to do with Cardplayer....but lets get real, Cardplayer is BY FAR the best poker magazine in the industry.

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They are both good magazines. Bluff Magazine named this the best poker forum. We agree on that, right?

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Speaking of Cardplayer, is it harder to find at magazine/book stores? Barnes and Nobles doesn't carry it anymore that I know of, but they carry All In and Bluff. Also some local magazine stores don't carry it anymore, but carry Bluff and All In. What up with that?

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how many of these are there going to be /month?

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barry your magazine sucks ass.

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Bluff magazine is the best in industry. I dont know if there is much difference between Bluff and Bluff europe, but at least Bluff europe in whole other league then cardplayer.

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Yeah, I used to subscribe to four poker magazines (mostly using cheap Party Poker points), and Card Player is the only one I have used my own money to renew.

I would rank them like this:
1.) Card Player
2.) All In
3.) Bluff
4.) Poker Pro

Both All In and Bluff are fairly superficial, but I feel like All In makes more of an attempt to have substantive poker articles, and it also has a much cleaner design.

There are many articles in Bluff that I found painful on my eyes to read; I can't understand how anyone can screw up the concept of "dark text on light background". Combined with the poor writing and general immaturity of many of the "lifestyle" articles, the whole packages comes off as really unprofessional.

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When you read Cardplayer three years ago there were always a number of well written technical articles on poker that can help you improve your game, rather than a bunch of stupid poker foolishness like you see in newer issues of Cardplayer, Bluff, and All-In.

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FYP.

I'm being a bit snarky, but CardPlayer had taken a turn for the worse, as the articles have mostly gotten watered down to newbie level or are just ridiculous fluff pieces that shamelessly kiss up to that week's coverboy/covergirl. I really haven't read Bluff besides skimming it in a cardroom. I had a charter subscription to All-In. That magazine was a load of caca run by buffoons.

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When you read Cardplayer three years ago there were always a number of well written technical articles on poker that can help you improve your game, rather than a bunch of stupid poker foolishness like you see in newer issues of Cardplayer, Bluff, and All-In.

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FYP.

I'm being a bit snarky, but CardPlayer had taken a turn for the worse, as the articles have mostly gotten watered down to newbie level or are just ridiculous fluff pieces that shamelessly kiss up to that week's coverboy/covergirl. I really haven't read Bluff besides skimming it in a cardroom. I had a charter subscription to All-In. That magazine was a load of caca run by buffoons.

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I find the worst recent trend with Cardplayer is their constant slurping up to Full Tilt. The article on the tournament in Australia won by Gus Hansen was disgusting. Why do I care how many "Full Tilt pro" made it to Day 3 or whatever, and why do I need to see four Full Tilt logos in every photo? The have really damaged their journalistic credibility in my eyes. Still the best poker magazine out there though.

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Nick and Tom I agree with both of you. Although I still think Cardplayer is by far the best poker mag out there they have decreased the depth of their articles, but not nearly as bad as Bluff which has zero depth and 100% fluff. Hey maybe they should change their name to Fluff Magazine!

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cardplayer is corrupt, their tournament online coverage is terrible, and their strategy articles consist of bad 15/30 limit players making goofy-ass plays.

bluff features legit strategy and more coverage on online play.

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Who cares which one is less terrible? They both suck. I wouldn't read either of them if they paid me the cover price.

2+2 innanet magazine FTW.

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I've got to admit I love Bluff Magazine because I have a feature article in this issue entitled Remembering Johnny Moss. It is similar to the Poker History series I have posted here on News,Views, Gossip.

I was very pleased with Bluff Magazine on the editing, layout, design, and pictures of Johnny Moss and pals, Benny Binion and Amarillo Slim.

I really like Card Player. They give it away in some small casinos in out of the way places. I like that.

I like Card Player. I love Bluff.

Johnny Hughes

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I was over at ESPN Radio.com last night listening to the latest (3/28/07) edition of Phil Gordons radio show, The Poker Edge. He interviewed Eric Morris the co-owner of Bluff Magazine.

Phil said a number of times that Bluff was the "best poker magazine on the market" and "best poker magazine in the industry." Are you kidding me?? Cardplayer is MUCH BETTER than Bluff.

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If he said it a number of times, it'd lead me to believe that he's endorsed by BLUFF magazine in some way. Maybe through advertising dollars? Or maybe he's just sucking up because he has the co-owner of Bluff in front of him. Bluff may have paid to have the interview in a way of advertising their mag.

Not sure of any mag owners that would do an interview that would paint them in bad light. Think 'infomercial.'

b

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Bluff & ESPN are in bed together, and Gordon writes for both so he's gonna suck up to who pays him obv.

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it's the battle of who sucks worse....who will win!?

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I like Nick had a subscription to all four and only have CardPlayer as of today and I may not renew it.

I just did some Spring cleaning recently and tossed CardPlayer mags from the past 3 years. I skimmed some of the older ones and imho the quality of CardPlayer is definitely going down hill. It's like it is turning into a Poker People Magazine and that does not interest me.

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I find something to like about all of them, and the price is right. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

(free in cardrooms)

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I was over at ESPN Radio.com last night listening to the latest (3/28/07) edition of Phil Gordons radio show, The Poker Edge. He interviewed Eric Morris the co-owner of Bluff Magazine.

Phil said a number of times that Bluff was the "best poker magazine on the market" and "best poker magazine in the industry." Are you kidding me?? Cardplayer is MUCH BETTER than Bluff.

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If he said it a number of times, it'd lead me to believe that he's endorsed by BLUFF magazine in some way. Maybe through advertising dollars? Or maybe he's just sucking up because he has the co-owner of Bluff in front of him. Bluff may have paid to have the interview in a way of advertising their mag.

Not sure of any mag owners that would do an interview that would paint them in bad light. Think 'infomercial.'

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might have something to do with Gordon's full page backcover
Watch advertisements in the back of bluff a while back, think he got a discount?

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and so it goes, all the issue are like this. Even when they attempt to do a technical article the caliber is usually low and not even close to that of Cardplayer.

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ORLY?

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brow beating bluff magazine for having fluff content while posting in news, views, and gossip???? am i being leveled?

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Phil Gordon Says Bluff Magazine Best in Industry. WTF??!!

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He interviewed Eric Morris the co-owner of Bluff Magazine.

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self explanatory?

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brow beating bluff magazine for having fluff content while posting in news, views, and gossip???? am i being leveled?

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lawl

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Speaking of Cardplayer, is it harder to find at magazine/book stores? Barnes and Nobles doesn't carry it anymore that I know of, but they carry All In and Bluff. Also some local magazine stores don't carry it anymore, but carry Bluff and All In. What up with that?

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CP pulled all their mags off newstand. No one was buying them apparently.

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Gordon has had an endorsement deal with Bluff for a few years. No surprise that he hypes them.

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Gordon has had an endorsement deal with Bluff for a few years. No surprise that he hypes them.

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Actually, this is disappointing news about ESPN though. ESPN radio should have higher journalistic standards, i.e. Gordon should disclose his tie-ins to Bluff before or during the interview.

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Speaking of Cardplayer, is it harder to find at magazine/book stores? Barnes and Nobles doesn't carry it anymore that I know of, but they carry All In and Bluff. Also some local magazine stores don't carry it anymore, but carry Bluff and All In. What up with that?

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CP pulled all their mags off newstand. No one was buying them apparently.

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Yeah, but luckily they can litterally give them away.

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Bluff pwns cardplayer.

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im a cardplayer subscriber, but i dont really like the magazine, its like 90% advertising [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
i like some of the colums though, its ok to read while taking a dump

havent read bluff

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I would like to state for the record that Phil Gordon has no ownership in Bluff Magazine.Bluff Media. This holds true with regards to any professional poker player!

Bluff began as a self funded company and continues w/o any outside funding!

Phil Gordon occassionally contributes stories, but that is the extent of Bluff's relationship with him!

I am not asking anyone to agree with Phil's statement, just understand that there is no business relationship with Phil Gordon other then his articles running in the publication.

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Gab, I appreciate your feedback with regards to Bluff. While, I understand that Bluff is not for eveyone, please do realize we have made great strides in balencing lifestyle with information and strategy articles. I think a good number of people on this forum would have to agree that Bluff has improved and has a little more then zero depth and a 100% fluff.

With respect to your first post, you failed to include the following articles, which I would consider to be more then Fluff. Please let me know if you disagree?

Check - Ed Moncadas article on the rising stars of the poker world!

Online Report - written by P5's

How Intimidation works and fails in poker - written by Mike Caro.

The Online Tournament Landscape is in a State of Flux - written by Chris Birchby (Marvin Garden).

Reading a hand - written by Niman Kenkre

Conceal, Dont Reveal - written by Joe Navarro

The Optimal Opening Raise - Written by Brandon Adams

A Huge PLO hand - written by Gus Hansen, who discusses the strategy behind his play!

I believe the balence of our aticles is getting better every issue. Pick up the latest copy and let me knwo your thoughts?

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Does Bluff has as many exclamation marks in the aticles as your posts? I think you struck the exact right balence.

Seriously though, why is this a thread: Phil Gordon is kind of a dork, and he thinks it's a better magazine. In high school, some of my friends were in a band that was one of my favorite bands, I sincerely thought they were better than everyone else. No bigs.

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I just picked up this issue and while I enjoyed the coverage of the Aussie Millions, thought you really sucked for your obviously biased stabs at Jimmy. Yes I'm understandably prejudiced, but clearly this remark: "To be kind, Jimmy definitely has a face for online poker" was juvenile, unprofessional, and definitely UN-kind. I'm glad you followed up the attempts at cuteness with Gus's critique; at least he succeeded in providing a mature, professional, balanced report.

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I just picked up this issue and while I enjoyed the coverage of the Aussie Millions, thought you really sucked for your obviously biased stabs at Jimmy. Yes I'm understandably prejudiced, but clearly this remark: "To be kind, Jimmy definitely has a face for online poker" was juvenile, unprofessional, and definitely UN-kind. I'm glad you followed up the attempts at cuteness with Gus's critique; at least he succeeded in providing a mature, professional, balanced report.

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Stuff like that seems to be the standard nowadays. I think it's terrible that they would take jabs at people like this. Hopefully they will reconsider.

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step it up bluff. cardplayer has 2 issues per month and bluff only has one. step up your game bluff.

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Shy,

There is really no reason to do 2 issues per month! CP pulled off of newsstands because of this very reason.

To be quite honest it's difficult enough trying to get editorial in monthly from a good portion of our writers.

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Wow!! I guess my posts on 2+2 really do get attention!! The editor of Bluff Magazine actually joins these forums for the FIRST time (notice his registration date) just to respond to my post!

Anyhow, to the Bluff Mag editor: thank you for responding. I did read ALL the articles in that issue of Bluff, as well as many other issues of your magazine. And as I noted in my previous post even the technical articles lack any kind of real depth. They merely touch on the subject with very little detail or depth-- certainly not enough to improve ones' game.

Please compare your technical articles with those of Cardplayer. Cardplayer has much more detail and depth in their tech articles, and often the reader can pick up genuine useful info that can improve his/her game. I cannot believe that if you compare your tech articles with those of Cardplayer that you can HONESTLY say yours are better. And please note I do not work for Cardplayer.

The way the poker boom is imploding post UIGEA there will probably be enough demand by the poker community for only ONE poker magazine by the end of the year. Already your magazine, as well as Cardplayer, are becoming harder and harder to find at newstands and bookstores. If Bluff is able to outlast Cardplayer in the long run I would be very surprised.

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I lost all respect for Cardplayer industries when they dumped Scott Huff, Gavin, and Joe "The Cub" Sebok from "the Curcuit". Podcasts are certainly the future in media and they failed to realize they had an awesome product with those clowns. Their cheapness also reflects in the recent overall mag look and quality of their articles.

Bluff is more fluff... but it's interesting and entertaining to read about the poker pro lifestyle once in awhile. Biweekly articles about playing "Big Slick from under the gun" can get a bit stale.

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Gab, I would have to agree with you regarding your comment, "technical articles lack any kind of real depth. They merely touch on the subject with very little detail or depth-- certainly not enough to improve ones' game." After all how can a 1 or 2 page article make a you a better PLO player? I think the same can be said for CP and any other poker publication. This is one of the reasons why 2+2 publishes a variety of poker books! I would like to think we all agree that a book will improve your game as opposed to an article that can only "scratch" the surface!

I am not here to compare Bluff to CP, so please forgive me for not addressing that comment! Although, I think we hold up rather well if being compared!

Bluff actually has approx 100,000 copies on newsstand, which is only slightly less then our all time high. Please look at any major bookstore and you can find Bluff. Sometimes you will find the magazine in either the collectables or games section, which is why you may be having trouble finding the magazine. We are trying to work with our distributor to change this type of placment.

I would have to disagree with you regarding only ONE poker magazine being able to survive! I do think there is room for TWO. I know we are well funded and advertising revenue is getting back on track.

Additionally, holding the digital media rights for the WSOP has significantly increased our bottom line profits. We anticpate having our best year ever in terms of over all profit. I don't see this changing for at least another 4+ years! Once you see everything we have in store for the WSOP, you will have a better understanding why this is the case!

Gab, I appreciate your feedback and candidness!

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Jack, you may see Gavin and Joe pop up again at the WSOP!