newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

I have been reading this site for a few months and have seen dramatic improvement in my game...thank you all...

what do you think about this play?

$20 180 on Pokerstars...20 players left pays 18 I have 8600 chips left...have been playing tight....bb is 800

I am in big blind with As9s and chip leader (at table) with 39k raises to 2k...I call in the BB and plan on pushing after the flop with just about anything (thoughts?)

well flop comes 10h 9c 4c and I go all in...he calls with Ac2c and wins with a flush on the river...

I felt pretty good about this play but wanted others opinion...

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

Where is the table leader raising from? Is this shorthanded?

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

as I remember there was 7 at the table...2nd to act...

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

I realy think your play was horrible, preflop and post flop.

You called a raise out of position for 30% of your stack (any reads on BS?)and then without folding equity you plan a stop and go.
This is certainly a play but made at the wrong time with the wrong opponent.

Going forward please do not post hand reusults if you want objective comments.

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

thank you...I will leave results off next time...

another question then...should I have went all in pre or should this be an easy fold...

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

Please use converter to post hand.

On the bubble, in this position, I let this go. Probably a little nitty ... maybe not

After the bubble I would just shove ... but you made a nice play and got your money in when you were ahead.

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

The stop and go plan would be better if the big stack was raising from the button or cut off. It would also be better if you were not using it against someone with so many chips. That is because someone with 36,000 chips may be more willing to gamble and call you on the flop with a whiffed AK.

I do not hate the play as much as the previous responders. If you think that Ax/KJ/etc are in the big stack's raising range then this might be a good spot for a stop and go. The villain will be getting ~2:1 odds to call you if you shove preflop and that makes his calling range pretty much whatever he opened with. I like the SNG better than a pf shove in this spot.

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

Yes, given that the pot is around T1500 to start, and your stack about T7800, its about that time for push or fold. Here it seems like a clear fold. Don't worry about losing the BB, you'll soon be pushing late to take those back.

Also curious where your stack was out of the 20 left? Too close to the bubble to be putting on a stop and go I think.

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

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thank you...I will leave results off next time...

another question then...should I have went all in pre or should this be an easy fold...

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I don't think your play is necessarily bad. The issue is whether you think agaisnt this guy's UTG+1 opening range you think you have more fold equity pre-flop or on the flop. If he's only opening big aces and pairs from this position (and is thus never folding pre-flop), then your play is just fine, IMO. You're leaving yourself more or less a pot sized shove on the flop so he's not getting the odds with hands he's missed and will find it hard to call with 66.
If he's raising all sorts of hands from ep, then shoving, as a tight player, pre-flop is going to be +EV.

I'm not folding in your shoes - it just depends when the money goes in.

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

How much would villian have to raise in order for there to be enough FE for hero to push or CR AI on the flop?

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

I don't think this is a spot where Hero has to be involved in to begin with.

The answer to your question is 0!
Calling a raise will commit Hero to the pot which is crazy on the bubble.
This play like a SNG(sit not stop!), and I am 100% sure that it is a clear fold.

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

ok. Reason i ask is i'm still not sure where good spots are to attempt a stop n go. Was using this post to try to get someone to give me an example.

Re: newbie...help and thanks...bubble situation $20 180 on stars
 

contrary to what some ppl have been saying, i definitely don't see this play as that bad. even tho it is the bubble, who cares, MTT bubbles are pretty much different in a lot of ways from SNG bubbles in terms of playing supertight just to squeeze into the money IMO. i mean, if you fold over and over, you get like 2 buyins back, and have a dead stack of something like 4 or 5 BBs. I mean, we already have an M of like 5 or somewhere around there. I think the fact that this may be the bubble, and the villain IS the big stack leads me more to thinking that he may try to be pushing the table around and raising with a wider range which makes hero's play here look a lot better. as far as whether to push preflop or stop n go depends on how tight villain has been like a previous poster said. but overall, i don't have a huge problem with getting my money in here

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ok. Reason i ask is i'm still not sure where good spots are to attempt a stop n go. Was using this post to try to get someone to give me an example.

[/ QUOTE ] there are quite a few threads about this topic in this forum, i suggest using the search function or looking through the anthology stickied at the top of this forum