You have a dream...
 

This happened last week to my roommate.

You have a dream where you die in a plane crash and the most specific thing you remember about the dream is that there was a girls soccer team on the plane as it went down. You have a flight to catch that day, and describe your dream to the person dropping you off at the airport. When you get to your gate there is a girls soccer team waiting for the same flight as you. Who gets on that plane?

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ARE YOU SAYING YOU BELIEVE IN THE SUPERNATURAL??!!!

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ARE YOU SAYING YOU BELIEVE IN THE SUPERNATURAL??!!!

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I'm asking how confident are you about your belief/nonbelief in the supernatural. Does it change any if you could just change flights and make it to your destination 3 hours later.

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I'd tell my dream to as many people as I could so I could get on the plane with the girls team and enjoy myself.

luckyme

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This happened to your roommate or to a character in one of the Final Destination movies?

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ARE YOU SAYING YOU BELIEVE IN THE SUPERNATURAL??!!!

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I'm asking how confident are you about your belief/nonbelief in the supernatural. Does it change any if you could just change flights and make it to your destination 3 hours later.

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I'd probably get on the plane, but I'm stubborn like that. Sometimes I will have extremely strong fears that I am going to jump off the building when I go somewhere that is high and exposed. I can clearly see myself doing it, in excruciating detail, and I am certain I will not be able to control myself. But I go up there anyway, and, to date, have managed to avert disaster.

My mind is extremely powerful, but so far its future-predicting track-record leaves much to be desired.

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I'd tell my dream to as many people as I could so I could get on the plane with the girls team and enjoy myself.

luckyme

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Also, this is NEVER how my dreams about the girls soccer team play out.

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Yeah, I get on the plane. I've enough problems convincing myself that it is still very unlikely there will be a crash on my flight even though there hasn't been a crash in a long while.

Actually, reading the posts on SMP has helped with that sort of thing. The logical thinking steps some guys show really help when working through irrational things like this.

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So let me get this right, you have no prior knowledge of anybody on the flight, yet you vividly see a girls soccer team on the same flight as you and the plane crashed.

I do not get on the plane, and I do not regret if the plane does not crash.

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This happened last week to my roommate.

You have a dream where you die in a plane crash and the most specific thing you remember about the dream is that there was a girls soccer team on the plane as it went down. You have a flight to catch that day, and describe your dream to the person dropping you off at the airport. When you get to your gate there is a girls soccer team waiting for the same flight as you. Who gets on that plane?



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This reminds me of a classic Seinfeld episode where George accompanies Elaine to a psychic and the psychic alludes that George’s life is in danger. George gives his plane ticket to Kramer, who go’s on to have the time of his life - playing beach volley ball with topless swimsuit models and then dating one of the models.

So, yeah, if I saw I was going to be on a plane with a girls soccer team, the thought of romance would supersede any other thought in my head. But then, I’ve always been reckless in that regard.

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I'd probably get on the plane, but I'm stubborn like that.

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Okay, but what if the plane crashed and you woke up in bed again?

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This happened last week to my roommate.

You have a dream where you die in a plane crash and the most specific thing you remember about the dream is that there was a girls soccer team on the plane as it went down. You have a flight to catch that day, and describe your dream to the person dropping you off at the airport. When you get to your gate there is a girls soccer team waiting for the same flight as you. Who gets on that plane?

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The dream was wrong...it was the girls soccer team that went down....not the plane. Ohhhh this is gonna be a great flight. Be gentle with me girls, I can only handle 3 or 4 at a time. Will this get me in the Mile High Club?

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So let me get this right, you have no prior knowledge of anybody on the flight, yet you vividly see a girls soccer team on the same flight as you and the plane crashed.

I do not get on the plane, and I do not regret if the plane does not crash.

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A lot of these 'experiences' are like prophecies, vague in the original, specific in the actual, and the two made to merge by our hopped up minds.

If a person woke up and wrote down very clear and specific facts from their dream, then you would have sometthing to compare it to later. "girls soccer team" won't cut it by far.

"There was a tall blond girl with the number 32 top, holding both hands against the ears of a short,fat brunette with a red sock and a blue sock, standing on a 40 sqft platform against a blue/white striped wall"
that sort of thing. Stuff you would know from a vivid dream.

otherwise, you simply fit the vagueness of the dream to the exactness of the visual experience and 'remember' it that way. We do versions of this all the time, switching memories, combining memories, even stealing anothers memory.

luckyme

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I'd probably get on the plane, but I'm stubborn like that.

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Okay, but what if the plane crashed and you woke up in bed again?

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[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I'd go kiss Andy McDowell and drive off a cliff, LDO.

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This happened last week to my roommate.

You have a dream where you die in a plane crash and the most specific thing you remember about the dream is that there was a girls soccer team on the plane as it went down. You have a flight to catch that day, and describe your dream to the person dropping you off at the airport. When you get to your gate there is a girls soccer team waiting for the same flight as you. Who gets on that plane?

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I do. And hope to add another notch to my mile high club membership!

Here's a better question....

Would you be willing to back a poker player who would NOT get on the plane?

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Here's a better question....

Would you be willing to back a poker player who would NOT get on the plane?

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It may not be as connected as it seems.
It's one thing to think some force ( god, fate, etc) wants to kill you, it's another to think it gives a [censored] about the next card being dealt.

A belief in premonitions of various types may not help your game any but many good poker players have some superstitions and it's not enough of a impediment to turn them into losers. At certain times, beliefs in strange goings-on could work in your favor ( giving you courage or making you back off at the right time). It's not an automatic negative.
It may even be the way that you manifest deeper awareness that you have of a situation. Not playing strongly against someone who is 'running hot' may keep you away from a player who is going to be tough to put a play on, for example.

luckyme

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You have a dream where you die in a plane crash and the most specific thing you remember about the dream is that there was a girls soccer team on the plane as it went down. You have a flight to catch that day, and describe your dream to the person dropping you off at the airport. When you get to your gate there is a girls soccer team waiting for the same flight as you.
Who gets on that plane?

[/ QUOTE ]Don't get on that plane.

In case the plane does not go down, you should take that outcome seriously into account. In case the plane does go down, what can I tell you.


Mickey Brausch

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I'm sure you're right, since I know some winning players who possess superstitions. However, I think they win despite this logical handicap and cetrtainly not because of it. It's possible it gives them an accidental advantage in certain situations as you suggest.

All else being equal, I'd much rather back someone who doesn't believe in superstitious nonsense.

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You have a dream where you die in a plane crash and the most specific thing you remember about the dream is that there was a girls soccer team on the plane as it went down. You have a flight to catch that day, and describe your dream to the person dropping you off at the airport. When you get to your gate there is a girls soccer team waiting for the same flight as you.
Who gets on that plane?

[/ QUOTE ]Don't get on that plane.

In case the plane does not go down, you should take that outcome seriously into account. In case the plane does go down, what can I tell you.


Mickey Brausch

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Actually, if we don't get on the plane we know nothing: In the dream we are on the plane. Anything that happens (or doesn't happen) if we aren't on it is moot.

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You have a dream where you die in a plane crash and the most specific thing you remember about the dream is that there was a girls soccer team on the plane as it went down. You have a flight to catch that day, and describe your dream to the person dropping you off at the airport. When you get to your gate there is a girls soccer team waiting for the same flight as you.
Who gets on that plane?

[/ QUOTE ]Don't get on that plane.

In case the plane does not go down, you should take that outcome seriously into account. In case the plane does go down, what can I tell you.


Mickey Brausch

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Actually, if we don't get on the plane we know nothing: In the dream we are on the plane. Anything that happens (or doesn't happen) if we aren't on it is moot.

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RJT! Excellente!

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If I had a dream the week before that napolitino's pizza was buring down, only to wake up and read the paper that contained the story about napolitino's pizza burning down. And if 4 weeks before that I had a prementition that a friend of mine was pregnant, and she called me up to tell me the news. I would of course not get on the plane.

It's important to recognize a distiction here between people of faith and persons that beleive in the supernatural. As an former atheist I'm fully aware that if I was the only person in the world that was an atheist, that would never be enough to change my mind. Yet all xtians on this board depend on other peoples beliefs. If notready was the only xtain, he would shed is faith naturally.

So to answer you question of course I would get on the plane if I had no previous experience with my dreams coming true. But if my dreams often came true I would never get on the plane.

If anyone says that even after their dreams coming true in the past, they would still get on the plane. Is either lieng or insane.

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I'd probably get on the plane, but I'm stubborn like that. Sometimes I will have extremely strong fears that I am going to jump off the building when I go somewhere that is high and exposed. I can clearly see myself doing it, in excruciating detail, and I am certain I will not be able to control myself. But I go up there anyway, and, to date, have managed to avert disaster.

My mind is extremely powerful, but so far its future-predicting track-record leaves much to be desired.

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Vhawk, we need to talk. One of us is channeling the other's mind. I have these exact same visions, and sometimes I am afraid to go near the edge or near windows that look easily breakable because I'm worried that ... well, like you say, that I won't be able to control myself. But then I peer over the edge anyway, just to prove to myself how silly the whole notion is. I can't help feeling a little queasy inside the whole time though. I get the same impression in potentially dangerous driving situations, particularly on large bridges; I'm worried that I will just jerk the wheel and go careening off the side, and I sometimes find myself checking out the barriers to see whether I'd be able to break through them or not. Does this happen to other people, or are Vhawk and I crazy?

PS I would absolutely get on the plane, mostly from stubborness, and partly to prove to myself that I could.

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obv i was goin to vegas to play poker and had 5k burning a hole in my pocket. not getting on the plane was not an option.

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You have a dream where you die in a plane crash and the most specific thing you remember about the dream is that there was a girls soccer team on the plane as it went down. You have a flight to catch that day, and describe your dream to the person dropping you off at the airport. When you get to your gate there is a girls soccer team waiting for the same flight as you.
Who gets on that plane?

[/ QUOTE ]Don't get on that plane.

In case the plane does not go down, you should take that outcome seriously into account. In case the plane does go down, what can I tell you.


Mickey Brausch

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Actually, if we don't get on the plane we know nothing: In the dream we are on the plane. Anything that happens (or doesn't happen) if we aren't on it is moot.

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So board that plane....in the name of SCIENCE!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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in retrospect i should have called tolbiny and told him that i was boarding with the girls soccer team in case it went down.

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Don't get on that plane.

In case the plane does not go down, you should take that outcome seriously into account. In case the plane does go down, what can I tell you.




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Actually, if we don't get on the plane we know nothing: In the dream we are on the plane. Anything that happens (or doesn't happen) if we aren't on it is moot.

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Get on that plane.

In case the plane does not go down, you should take that outcome seriously into account. In case the plane does go down, what can I tell you.

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You seem very keen to board. Here, FMP :

Get on that plane.

In case the plane does not go down, you should take that outcome seriously into account. In case the plane does go down, what can I tell you.



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I have vivid dreams every single night, in fact I can’t fall asleep until I fall into a dream state. When I was young, I took these dreams seriously and wrote them down. After many years of such experimentation, I can say that any thing I dream about is the opposite of predictive. My dreams are mostly fears of everyday life and the vast majority of those dreams don’t come true.

When I hunt for ducks, any duck that is in my direct range of shot, is a particularly lucky duck. I’m such a bad shot. In fact I feel relieved when I don’t kill the poor thing. Same thing with my dreams, the opposite of my dreams is more likely the case than not, so if I dreamed that my plane was going down, I’d feel more safe entering that plane.

edit - I gave an analogy, but it may be poor. The point is that my dreams have zero predictive power. And for sure, I've tested them

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In case the plane does not go down, you should take that outcome seriously into account. In case the plane does go down, what can I tell you.

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There's still hope:

The many-worlds interpretation or MWI is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that claims to resolve all the "paradoxes" of quantum theory by allowing every possible outcome to every event to define or exist in its own "history" or "world", via the mechanism of quantum decoherence, instead of wavefunction collapse.

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There's still hope:

The many-worlds interpretation or MWI is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that claims to resolve all the "paradoxes" of quantum theory by allowing every possible outcome to every event to define or exist in its own "history" or "world", via the mechanism of quantum decoherence, instead of wavefunction collapse.



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Hi John,
I don’t think Metric thinks much of this MWI theory, but it’ s always intrigued me, mostly because I liked the show, Sliders. So of course, every single time I enter an airplane, I die in one world. But John please remember an important detail. Every single time I enter an airplane full of female soccer players, at least in one world, I am having sex with all of them.

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Everytime I get on a plane I have premonitions (imaginations) of it crashing on take-off, but not in a way that makes me scared of flying, more in a perversly excited way that crashing in a plane is an experience not many people have had. I only get slightly nervous once I look out the window and feel like I am at a height that would cause maiming if it dropped out the air (based on my knowingly non-scientific perception of how height affects crash severity!). Below that height I figure it will be exciting and I will be ok, above that I think it will be an amzingly weird/exciting experience but with a brief dramatic end I have no need to worry too much about. I think I find something moving about being seriously dramtically powerless and having to go along with the ride.

(That seems like something for my psychiatrist? I never wrote that down and read it back before!)

Of course, if I ever walked away from a plane crash I'd have to avoid the urge to claim a premonition, given I think it every time.

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Everytime I get on a plane I have premonitions (imaginations) of it crashing on take-off, but not in a way that makes me scared of flying, more in a perversly excited way that crashing in a plane is an experience not many people have had. I only get slightly nervous once I look out the window and feel like I am at a height that would cause maiming if it dropped out the air (based on my knowingly non-scientific perception of how height affects crash severity!). Below that height I figure it will be exciting and I will be ok, above that I think it will be an amzingly weird/exciting experience but with a brief dramatic end I have no need to worry too much about. I think I find something moving about being seriously dramtically powerless and having to go along with the ride.

(That seems like something for my psychiatrist? I never wrote that down and read it back before!)

Of course, if I ever walked away from a plane crash I'd have to avoid the urge to claim a premonition, given I think it every time.



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Sublime, Alex-db ( I get tired of saying awesome ). Yes, I get excited at perverse things as well. Best I not describe them. Just say, if it’s possible, if the Marquise de Sade were not a misogynist, I could whole heartily agree with him, it’s just that he hated women and I love women. ( At least that’s my interpretation of Justine)

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This happened last week to my roommate.

You have a dream where you die in a plane crash and the most specific thing you remember about the dream is that there was a girls soccer team on the plane as it went down. You have a flight to catch that day, and describe your dream to the person dropping you off at the airport. When you get to your gate there is a girls soccer team waiting for the same flight as you. Who gets on that plane?

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In this age, I think there's a good chance that if you told someone you dreamt about the plane crashing, and then that person found out that at least some of the details were true, security would make sure you don't get on the plane. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Others have been detained for less.

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This happened last week to my roommate.

You have a dream where you die in a plane crash and the most specific thing you remember about the dream is that there was a girls soccer team on the plane as it went down. You have a flight to catch that day, and describe your dream to the person dropping you off at the airport. When you get to your gate there is a girls soccer team waiting for the same flight as you. Who gets on that plane?

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In this age, I think there's a good chance that if you told someone you dreamt about the plane crashing, and then that person found out that at least some of the details were true, security would make sure you don't get on the plane. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Others have been detained for less.

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Yeah if you dream the planes going to crash and it does then you're probably the one who blew it up.

Not sure where the girls come in unless there are 70 of them.

chez

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The main reason I said no was because if you KNEW it was a girls soccer team in your dreams (which is highly unlikely), and it was, then I'd really have to think long and hard.

Girls soccer teams flying somewhere as a team is not at all common in my area, if at all, so the odds of them actually being on the plane w/ me are so ridiculously low that I'm almost more likely to believe from a mathematical standpoint that I had a premonition [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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ive had plenty of dreams about hooking up with supermodels or even girls i know and have a crush on. i never get with them in real life so why would i take this stupid dream seriously?

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ive had plenty of dreams about hooking up with supermodels or even girls i know and have a crush on. i never get with them in real life so why would i take this stupid dream seriously?

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if they had the same uniforms/clothes on as in your dream, it might make a difference about my decision

as it stands i don't think i'd get on the plane

one time in 2nd grade i had a very vivid dream about how to solve this one puzzle we were all working on for days in my class....i went to class the next day and put it together in less then a minute.

not the same thing of course, but...

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If your friend didn't tell anyone about the dream or recall it until he got there and saw the soccer team, it's probably just a case of dejavu, a short-circuit in the brain basically -- get on the plane.

If he told you before hand then got there and the soccer team was there, that's a different story and I can wait 3 hours until the next flight.

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Only if the pilot and co-pilot are both female.

The paradox doesn't resolve otherwise.

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Isnt the universe supernatural? I don't know, but it is infinite.....

Didn't know natural things were infinite. If anything we know that natural things die.....