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Yesterday Ted Forrester won the Bay 101 WPT event. Then they were down to headsup JJ Liu who is very pregnant, started to have pains. She looks down and sees blood everywhere. Dan Alspach asked the WPT to stop the event, but they wouldn't and said if JJ left she would be disqualified. How sick is that.
So, she goes to the bathroom, cleans up and then comes back to play. She then went to hospital immediately after the tournament apparently.

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So, she goes to the bathroom, cleans up and then comes back to play.

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Sounds like she should be prosecuted.

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yeah, actually my friend is friends with jj liu, and said she was in really horrible condition.

i'm not sure what the reasoning behind this WPT event was. how difficult is it to postpone a friday event...to saturday? wtf? retarded.

given what my friend said, i really think she should have just pushed every hand PF, especially with her health 1.5-1 chip stack over forrest. if she's too sick to play, just get lucky once.

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So the dude that won should stick around an extra day because some chick that could drop any day decided to play a poker tournament?

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also, while they're at it, they should sue those bastards for holding a monopoly.

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also, while they're at it, they should sue those bastards for holding a monopoly.

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Thats pretty [censored] up.

What was Ted Forresters reaction during all this?

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So the dude that won should stick around an extra day because some chick that could drop any day decided to play a poker tournament?

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Chicks who are very pregnant shouldn't play in multi-day high-stakes poker events. Isn't that stunningly obvious? If it wasn't obvious before the tourney, it should be by now. And the WPT nor Ted Forrest are responsible for her physical well-being. She made the decision to take that risk. What's shocking isn't that WPT didn't postpone the event--what's shocking is that a poker player would risk her health and the life of the fetus to continue playing poker.

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bav, 100% agreed.

i would love to see OPs rational reasoning to take the womans side.

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Chicks who are very pregnant shouldn't play in multi-day high-stakes poker events. Isn't that stunningly obvious? If it wasn't obvious before the tourney, it should be by now. And the WPT nor Ted Forrest are responsible for her physical well-being. She made the decision to take that risk. What's shocking isn't that WPT didn't postpone the event--what's shocking is that a poker player would risk her health and the life of the fetus to continue playing poker.

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I agree with everything mentioned here. The part in bold was what first came to mind. Seriously, 9 months pregnant, having horrible pains, you look down to see yourself covered in blood, and you keep playing? WTF? I wonder if that'll make the TV cut.

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Chicks who are very pregnant shouldn't play in multi-day high-stakes poker events. Isn't that stunningly obvious? If it wasn't obvious before the tourney, it should be by now. And the WPT nor Ted Forrest are responsible for her physical well-being. She made the decision to take that risk. What's shocking isn't that WPT didn't postpone the event--what's shocking is that a poker player would risk her health and the life of the fetus to continue playing poker.

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I agree with everything mentioned here. The part in bold was what first came to mind. Seriously, 9 months pregnant, having horrible pains, you look down to see yourself covered in blood, and you keep playing? WTF? I wonder if that'll make the TV cut.

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Of course it will, WPT wants nothing more than half the audience thinking they forced a pregnant woman to play, risking her babys health.

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According the the Card Player article, Liu was 4 months pregnant. Annie Duke was 8 months pregnant when she finished 10th at the WSOP final table.

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According the the Card Player article, Liu was 4 months pregnant. Annie Duke was 10 months pregnant when she finished 8th at the WSOP final table.

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FYP

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If she had given birth at the final table, would the baby be dealt in?

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Good question. Technically the baby was at the tournament at all points, but didnt buy in or play a stack.

Im pretty sure if the imbilicle cord was still attached the baby could take over under Roberts Rules of Poker, subclause 16d - aka the Conjoin Twins Clause (CTC).

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I think that its messed up, that people come on here bash JJ, for christ's sake she was 4 months preggers, as far as I know, you can still do just about anything at that point. I don't think there is any negligence on her part, BUT I also don't think that any tournament should be stopped. I think it is ridiculous to consider, part of tournaments is physical stamina, and I don't want to sound like a complete a sshole, but I don't think it is fair to Ted, to postpone or rescehdule, etc. It completely changes the ebb and flow especially HU. I am sure there are many instances where people have endured under much pain and duress, to change the rules and allow a medical break is not keeping in line with tournament procedures (although I am sure many of these precedents were set long before the current influx of female poker players, it may be time to make some adjustments)
All in all, I think that JJ's performance was herioc to say the least, I really hope everything is ok with her.
As far as suing the WPT.. They did not force her to stay, she could have left, had she chosen to.
Once again, best wishes to JJ and her family.

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I think she's an idiot for having blood everywhere and chose to continue to play. What a great mother she is going to be. Kid falls down some stairs and starts screaming and she'll say wait I think I can win this hand. What an idiot.

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I can't believe she stuck around.

Obviously a pregnant women is very sympathetic, but where does WPT draw the line? What if someone has a heart attack? What if the spouse of a player is involved in a serious accident? They have no idea how long the delay would be, should everyone have to change their travel plans? Also, they have serious dollars invested in the television production and most of that would be lost if they rescheduled. Why should they take on this major expense? Who knows if facilities or film crew will be available in one, two or whatever number of days it takes for her to get back.

IMO, since she stayed, WPT clearly made the correct call.

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JJ Liu is not the first player to have to make a decision to either play or sacrifice a final table appearance because of a potential medical condition. But, because the WPT does not allow deals, JJ was probably put in a more difficult position than past players.

In the 1999 WSOP $2500 Stud Event, one of the final table players, Ross Lichen, suffered a heart attack and was hospitalized the night before the final table. After some discussion among the players and Lichen's representative, it was decided that Lichen would receive fifth-place prize money of $24,875. But just letting his chips blind off would have given Louis Asmo (the player to the right of the dead stack) an advantage. Asmo was a classy guy and supported the proposal that the stack be removed from play. Lichen actually wanted to leave the hospital to play, but was talked out of it - aided by this creative and admittedly fair solution. Since the WPT does not allow deals, this solution would not have been an option had this been a WPT event.

In 2003, Karina Jett went into labor with the Jett's first child. At the time, Chip was at the remaining three tables of the Four Queens Poker Classic's $1000 NLHE. He left, but the remaining players took a vote to refund his buy in from the prize pool. His stack was also removed from play.

I can't say for certain what JJ's decision would have been had a deal been possible. But the WPT's "no deal" policy left her with fewer choices than players have had in non-WPT events.

Congratulations on your stellar performance JJ - you and Dan are in my thoughts.

Amy Calistri

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So, she goes to the bathroom, cleans up and then comes back to play.

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Sounds like she should be prosecuted.

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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JJ Liu is not the first player to have to make a decision to either play or sacrifice a final table appearance because of a potential medical condition.

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risking you health is one thing, risking the health of your child is another. how can you not realize that?

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No clue if this is true, but...


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So, she goes to the bathroom, cleans up and then comes back to play.

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Sounds like she should be prosecuted.

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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its not ok for people to take cheap shots but its ok for you to try and ruin some NCAA kids life so you can make a mark on the world of poker journalism?

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If she had given birth at the final table, would the baby be dealt in?

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no, probably disqualified, the one player per hand rule

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So, she goes to the bathroom, cleans up and then comes back to play.

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Sounds like she should be prosecuted.

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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its not ok for people to take cheap shots but its ok for you to try and ruin some NCAA kids life so you can make a mark on the world of poker journalism?

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I sound like a broken record, but I did NOT ruin a kid's life. That was never my intent. I don't know how many times I have to repeat posting what is below in order to get it through people's heads.

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I got myself involved in the Robert Neary case (2006 Aussie Millions runner-up and PartyPoker satellite qualifier who was on a golf scholarship at Sonoma State University in Northern California) because I felt that PartyPoker exploited Neary by forcing Neary to break an NCAA rule regarding endorsements by making Neary wear a PartyPoker logo, WITHOUT compensating Neary, in order for Neary to play the Aussie Millions.

(The FSN TV post-production unit was fully aware of the case as well during post-production and FSN has to tap dance around the entire case carefully in order to stay out of trouble with the NCAA.)

PartyPoker changed its logo rule for satellite qualifiers in time for the 2006 WSOP, as PartyPoker chose to follow PokerStars by removing the cost of the hotel room from the packages and offering a hotel room at PartyPoker's expense to its satellite qualifiers who agree to wear the PartyPoker.NET logo.

Ultimately, the PartyPoker satellite qualifiers at the 2006 WSOP benefitted because I got involved in the Robert Neary case.

As for Neary, the NCAA slapped him on the wrist by making him sit out one weekend tournament at the start of the 2006 golf season. Neary, Sonoma State golf coach Val Verhunce, and Sonoma State athletic director Bill Fusco were satisfied with the way NCAA handled the case. I have corresponded with both Verhunce and Fusco afterward and they both understood WHY I chose the particular course of action and they both understood that hundreds of PartyPoker WSOP qualifiers benefitted as a result.

The only "bad guy" in the Robert Neary case was PartyPoker, which had to clean up its act after the NCAA and I (with assists from former PokerPages editor Amy Calistri and Santa Rosa Press Democrat newspaper sports reporter Eric Branch and sports editor Jim Barger) got involved.

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Regardless of which side of the industry I am on (I was a freelance poker writer before I crossed over to the "dark side" by becoming a player agent last October), I was taught a long time ago by fellow WVBR-FM (Ithaca, NY) alumnus and current MSNBC personality Keith Olbermann to "take you job seriously, but not to take yourself too seriously".

I had a job to do when I got involved in the Neary case, and I now have a different job to do after J.J. and Dan hired me to be J.J.'s agent last October. Ultimately, I still have to do my job and take my job seriously, no matter what the job is. Having been an independent contractor/freelancer thoughout much of my adult life, I know that I am only as good as my last assignment.

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So, she goes to the bathroom, cleans up and then comes back to play.

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Sounds like she should be prosecuted.

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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So as long as we don't do it to justify our existence, you're all in favor of us taking as many cheap shots as we want?

Oh, wait, I'm not sure this even applies to me...what makes one part of the 2+2 audience? I think I'm a participant..

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I think I am most weirded out by the fact that J.J. Liu, whom I have never heard of before ever, has an agent.

Ray

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I already knew JJ was pregnant before Bay 101, Maya called me and told me she was due around the same time as I am. This thread was so horrible for me to read, very sad. I hope JJ and the baby are ok.

I made a choice to not play poker once I found out I was pregnant, i don't think it is healthy. We are all poker players here, we know what kind of stress comes along with bad beats (even if you're winning), not eating correctly, sitting for very long periods of time, or if you play live... a ill-infested casino. I try not to judge anyone else, but it's hard not to have opinions.

For all you guys here that do not know, there are greater risks in pregnancy over the age of 35. I'm not sure but I believe JJ is over 35, which means she required more precautions during her pregnancy than I do. Playing tournament poker is very unhealthy for a pregnancy, long hours and short breaks, and the occasional stress. I think JJ is a great poker player and very sweet, but there are endless tournaments to play in her future, why play now?



The other night Chau was talking about a woman playing very hight limit poker at the LA Poker Classic, she was 9 months pregnant, up for two days straight and not eating. Turns out I know who he is talking about. He said he was so sickened by her actions that he wanted to bust her so bad just so she would go home, but she pulled out more money.

He also said four days after she delivered the baby, he saw her playing poker again. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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J.J. Liu won WPT Ladies Night IV, is #4 all time among females in career tournament poker earnings (behind Kathy Liebert, Annie Duke, and Jennifer Harman), and speaks Mandarin Chinese fluently (a skill which will be in demand in the poker world in 2009 as the Texas Hold'em phenomenon moves to East and Southeast Asia, including all the Chinese-speaking countries and territories).



FullTiltPoker.NET officials understood that J.J. can deliver enough return on investment (ROI) in order to offer her a sponsorship deal as a "Friend of Full Tilt", a deal which J.J. accepted last December before the Bellagio 5 Diamonds WPT event.

http://www.fulltiltpoker.net/JJLiu.php

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/play...a=b&n=1697

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel.

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel.

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I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself.

I don't think that was too much to ask.

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel.

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I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself.

I don't think that was too much to ask.

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What about cheap shots against WPT or Ted?

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel.

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I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself.

I don't think that was too much to ask.

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I am pretty sharp Oliver and I understood you completely the first time and needless to say I am still shocked. You ask people to "respect their privacy", which seems hypocritical after reading some of your posts over the last year. People on this forum may have respected your post more if you posted it under a name other than your own. I feel your presence in this is causing more insensitivity from others.

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I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself.

I don't think that was too much to ask.

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I agree with you about J.J., but I think you're fair game, Oliver. You post a lot of controversial and somewhat redundant stuff on this forum that would mark you as a troll if you didn't also frequently post very useful information. So you can't be surpised if people take shots at you. If you don't want to be a target, don't insert yourself so prominently into the discussion.

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel.

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I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself.

I don't think that was too much to ask.

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I am pretty sharp Oliver and I understood you completely the first time and needless to say I am still shocked. You ask people to "respect their privacy", which seems hypocritical after reading some of your posts over the last year. People on this forum may have respected your post more if you posted it under a name other than your own. I feel your presence in this is causing more insensitivity from others.

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Jean:

So you are saying you would respect someone more if he were a "coward" and post under an anonymous handle than someone who is willing to take hits by posting under his own name?

Again, I ask 2+2 participants to please THINK before posting. I don't think that is too much to ask, but given that I am now an agent and a defacto PR flack, I have a different perspective of the poker world than a teenager.

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This is just a moronic thing to write.

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Again, as J.J. Liu's agent, I ask the 2+2 audience to please refrain from posting insensitive remarks or taking cheap shots at J.J., Dan Alspach, or myself in order to justify your existence.

At this time, I cannot comment on the specifics of the situation beyond what was already reported by the media.

Please respect J.J. and Dan's need for privacy. Thank you very much.

Oliver Tse
Oliver Tse Management Group, LLC
[email protected]

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I am somewhat suprised to see your comment Oliver. I agree this is a very serious and sensitive subject. BUT how can you possibly be serious about posting this? You are a very vocal member in NVG. You of all people should know that this is a very valid thread thats should be discussed. I'm not saying that certain comments should be said, but that is 2+2. Some kids get off at being cruel.

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I simply ask 2+2 participants to "think", just a little bit, before posting something insensitive and/or taking their daily cheap shots at either J.J., Dan, or myself.

I don't think that was too much to ask.

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What about cheap shots against WPT or Ted?

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Ted Forrest has earned the respect of a lot of people in the poker world. He handled the situation as an innocent bystander in a sportsman-like manner.

I made sure that I congratulated Ted on the TV set while he was waiting for his "money shot" before I left Bay 101 on Saturday morning to go to the medical facility.

Friday night/Saturday morning was Ted's night. He had worked hard over the years and endured his share of setbacks in order to reach the pinnacle. Ted deserves the accolades and the respect from the poker world for finally breaking through on the WPT after nearly 5 years.

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I am continuing to take the "high road", as much as I can, in this situation. Given that I am only "hired help", my hands are tied somewhat.

I understand that I am considered "fair game" by some 2+2 participants because, in my previous role as a freelance poker writer, I took positions that many in the industry perceived as hostile and/or threatening to the industry.

Note that the economic interest of the poker industry is not necessary the same as the economic interest of the players. There are many instances the industry and the players are in conflict, and these conflicts will need time and effort to be resolved. I believe it is healthy for the industry for these conflicts to be out in the open and be covered extensively by the media so that both sides in a particular conflict will feel some urgency to resolve their differences.

I had always taken the position of the PLAYER's advocate. That hasn't changed even after I traded in a media badge for a blazer and a tie. My economic interest as an agent now is still aligned with the players I represent: J.J. Liu for online poker exclusively, J.C. Tran non-exclusively on one small project so far, and possibly 2 other players with international language skills that I am working to sign at this time.

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My wife is a labor and delivery nurse and she told me that everything was done correctly. She said that as early as 8 weeks but definitely by 12 weeks expectant mothers are told in great detail that bleeding/spotting can be common and should not be treated as a big deal and there is no need to cease activities or rush to a doctor. However, if the bleeding also includes cramping, contractions, etc or if the blood is a deep, dark red then women are told to immediately stop what they're doing and get in to their doctor or to the ER.

So unless the second scenario was present there was no need for JJ to rush to the hospital and there was nothing the WPT could do. It sounds like she did the right thing and just got checked out afterwards as a precaution.

Not sure why you would sue the WPT or blame TF.

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I sound like a broken record, but I did NOT ruin a kid's life. That was never my intent. I don't know how many times I have to repeat posting what is below in order to get it through people's heads.

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I got myself involved in the Robert Neary case (2006 Aussie Millions runner-up and PartyPoker satellite qualifier who was on a golf scholarship at Sonoma State University in Northern California) because I felt that PartyPoker exploited Neary by forcing Neary to break an NCAA rule regarding endorsements by making Neary wear a PartyPoker logo, WITHOUT compensating Neary, in order for Neary to play the Aussie Millions.


I had a job to do when I got involved in the Neary case, and I now have a different job to do after J.J. and Dan hired me to be J.J.'s agent last October. Ultimately, I still have to do my job and take my job seriously, no matter what the job is. Having been an independent contractor/freelancer thoughout much of my adult life, I know that I am only as good as my last assignment.

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Oliver,

I an generally amused by your insight into the poker world and it's Chinese future, but this takes you it to another level.

You felt someone you didn't know was being expoilted by Party Poker, so you felt the need to draw attention to it and rectify the situation. Your motivation for this was the greater good of poker players without reguard to the impact on the life of the person actually being exploited. Stating that the kid was slapped on the wrist is a cop-out, as you had no way of knowing what would happen before you outed him, and given the NCAA's stance on gambling you had to think it was likely his punishment would be much more severe.

I find it interesting you felt a need to act when a corporation was exploiting a student athlete, yet you have the audacity to come on this board and ask that 2+2 refrain from taking cheap shots about a client of yours?

While I had never heard of JJ Lui before reading this post, the fact that she would continue to play in a poker tournament after potentially suffering a miscarrige is the most degenerate thing I have ever heard of.

I'm glad she was able to maximize her TV exposure, you are clearly doing a fine job. If she come close to death, she might get mainstream media coverage.

Good luck with the endorsements.

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Jean:

So you are saying you would respect someone more if he were a "coward" and post under an anonymous handle than someone who is willing to take hits by posting under his own name?

Again, I ask 2+2 participants to please THINK before posting. I don't think that is too much to ask, but given that I am now an agent and a defacto PR flack, I have a different perspective of the poker world than a teenager.

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Wow "coward" is quite a stretch don't ya think?
You didn't want cheap shots taken at you...I can quote it again.

If you are an agent, your name is only as good as your reputation. And your reputation effects your clients.

I was only stating my opinion, which is that your reputation on 2+2 is, well it seems, below average and it effects JJ. People may be more likely to take cheap shots at her because of you. Which I don't think she deserves.

Your ultra professional post (full name and email) asking people to "think" and not take cheap shots, is in fact provoking the opposite. Especially because you have been so casual in most of your previous posts on NVG.