Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

Very early in this session. Had 0 read on villain up to this point.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $102.20
UTG+1: $63.25
MP1: $25
MP2: $94.15
MP3: $99
CO: $120.70
Button: $73.20
Hero: $109.15
BB: $21

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $4</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($12, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $12</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises to $50</font>,

Hero??

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

Without reads this looks like a fold. What hands check behind on flop yet raise huge on non scare card turns? Look like set or air, and probably not worth to find out which one

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

Without any reads I think you have to fold here vs. an unknown. Unless villian is an unusually aggressive bluffer or severely overvalues his hands, I can't put him on anything here that you beat.

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

lol are you serious? You guys kill me. He was last to act on the flop and he checked it. I would Push here, yes i said it i would push.

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

did gutshot just get there? I can't put MP2 on a hand.
Actually, 22 makes sense.

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

he would have to have the 2 remaining twos out there which is unlikely...

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Without reads this looks like a fold. What hands check behind on flop yet raise huge on non scare card turns? Look like set or air, and probably not worth to find out which one

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yeah, looks like 54, 33, 22, or A3 to me...he can't be in there with queens up (Q2 or Q3)...so you're only beating a bluff seems like.

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

hello 45. Although unknowns always slowplay in the dumbest of spots, so lots of hands are possible.

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he would have to have the 2 remaining twos out there which is unlikely...

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What hand can you put him on other than ducks?
With pf limp and check behind on the flop, I think 22 protecting against draws is the only had that makes sense. Perhaps 45 suited sometimes.

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

Fold preflop when BB raises - you are OOP the entire hand with a really vulnerable holding, facing a limp caller and a raiser in the middle.

What flop makes you want to continue with A2s?

Just fold and dont give it a second thought, it simply isnt worth $3.

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

I fold this preflop. Once you get to the turn I think you should fold but I'm not sure I would in the heat of battle.

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

He limped PF, so AA, QQ, AQ are not likely.
The only made hands I see him limping with are 33, 22, A3s, 45s al of which have you beat. but does he have one of these hands, I dont think so. i put him on 44, 55, 66

heres why...

Since the flop was checked, what can he put you on on the turn when you bet?
I think you bet too much, your pot sized bet makes you look like you are weak and dont want a call, if you slow played a monster on the flop, you wouldnt pot it on the turn oop when every one else checked the flop would you? I'd consider raising you here. now, that being said, how much would I raise?? well if I had a monster and thought you did too I'd bet it up, but, like I said your turn bet makes you look weak. so If I had a monster, I wouldnt raise u too much knowing you would fold. So the logical thing here is he senses weakness and is trying to push you off it. I say push, worst case, he calls with a set, you still have 2 outs...at least your not drawing dead lol. if he calls with the straight, you now have 4 outs.

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

I appreciate all the comments.

Villain had 33 and stacked me. If this hand would have been played later in the session, I definitely would have pushed b/c this dude turned out to be a very loose-aggressive player that loved to bluff you out with a big bet. He obviously would show a hand occasionally when he did though, so tough to get a read on him.

I've slowly come to realize that online NL 100 plays a lot tougher than my live NL 200 game...and it's not even close.

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

Tough spot - the sort of spot where it looks like he might be putting you on a bluff on the turn.

I don't know if I could have folded this at the table, but it's true, all you're beating is a bluff, and most NL100 players aren't sophisticated enough to bluff in this spot.

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LOL FR

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I've slowly come to realize that online NL 100 plays a lot tougher than my live NL 200 game...and it's not even close.

[/ QUOTE ]I've never played a live game in a proper casino, but people have been posting that live NL200 ~= NL25 online.

Re: Turned 2 pair, villain raises me.
 

Push.

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I've never played a live game in a proper casino, but people have been posting that live NL200 ~= NL25 online.

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Couldn't aggree more.