3 pairs - is this a value bet?
 

3 handed. I'm running well and pounding a couple of passive, timid financiers.

Button is not a moron, but he is way too passive for 6-handed let alone 3.

Button raises, I 3-bet A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] from SB. BB folds.

Flop T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

I bet, he calls.

Turn J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

I bet, he calls.

River 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

Do you bet again here?

Re: 3 pairs - is this a value bet?
 

why wouldn't you bet?

Re: 3 pairs - is this a value bet?
 

for sure, the ace that thinks he is splitting is getting banged up by your turn, nh

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I'm trying to find more places to bet/fold the river, and this looks like one of them. If he does have an 8 (or T) you'll for sure hear back, even from a passive player. But cdlarmore is right, ace+7 and down are plausible hands, which you beat, and there are what, 72 combinations of that out there. Plus 12 more A9 = 84.

Re: 3 pairs - is this a value bet?
 

I think part of the problem is that i acutally have a hard time folding to a raise, here is why...
at this level, A high bluff raises that river figuring he is splitting a ton of the time and it is safe, plus easy fold to 3 bet. Also, if he has the boat, i think he pops turn, not river...

Re: 3 pairs - is this a value bet?
 

If villain has the 8 he isn't gonna raise until river, and being passive he may not even raise there w/ the bottom boat. I also doubt that passive villain would raise A high, just not in his nature.

That being said I 100% bet river here. Big ace is very likely.

Re: 3 pairs - is this a value bet?
 

Well, that's what I thought. Then when he popped it, I thought "well, what am I gonna do now?"

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Well, that's what I thought. Then when he popped it, I thought "well, what am I gonna do now?"

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whats to think about
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Well, that's what I thought. Then when he popped it, I thought "well, what am I gonna do now?"

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whats to think about
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Button is not a moron, but he is way too passive for 6-handed let alone 3.

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Re: 3 pairs - is this a value bet?
 

he has to be pretty damn passive for me to fold the riv. most people cant help themselves from raising with 77

plus if hes so passive he might not value raise with an 8, and no i dont think that correlates with his bluffing frequency. some bad players miss really easy value bets but have no problem making retarded bluffs

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some bad players miss really easy value bets but have no problem making retarded bluffs

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Give that man a cigar. Folding just didn't seem an option in this context. Just the meta of giving him a life line was enough. It was clear I was going to have all his money.

Wanted to post 1) was I putting myself into a bad spot (b/f or b/c) and 2) is this one of them induce a bluff raise situations I've been reading about?

Thanks for the comments.

Not sure about that location, Josh.

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I would have serious trouble bet/folding this river.

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I would have serious trouble bet/folding this river.

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Bet/call or check/call?

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I would have serious trouble bet/folding this river.

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Bet/call or check/call?

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Betting is the more important part here. Bet fold is probably better than bet call if the read is accurate, but either is preferable check/call.

Re: 3 pairs - is this a value bet?
 

I think betting the river is best, although I think it's close. The board is somewhat dry so I think you'll get called by A high here a decent amount of the time. If your opponent has any history of waiting until the river to raise big hands, however, I would rather check/call. This way not only do you not get raised, but you get to induce desperation bluffs from hands like 77.

EDIT: After reading the rest of the thread, I'm also in the bet/call camp as opposed to the bet/fold camp. Bet/folding seems the worst option of the 3.

Just my opinion...