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gaboonviper 03-14-2007 01:47 PM

WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
Continuing from my post of yesterday, we must now go into more detail about why the WPT could go bust over the next few years:

1.) UIGEA has caused online pokersite sponsorship for the show to go way way down. And it is only a matter of time before Stars and Tilt are forced to leave the US market,

2.) Ratings for the show have plunged over the past two years. This is beacause; a. there is more competition from other tv poker i.e. GSN, and b. people are just getting board of the same old final table all in nutfest crap, and poker in general,

3.) The WPT online poker room has been a big fat flop,

4.) Mike Sexton will probably retire soon and I cannot think of anyone who could do the job nearly as well as him,

5.) Replacing Shana was one of the most stupid mistakes WPT could have made. None of the new girls are anywhere near as appealing as Shana was. Believe me, quite a few viewers watched the show beacause of Shana, not the poker,

6.) PPT completely failed,

7.) WPT is being sued by many of the top pros including Lederer, Hachem, Raymer and a few others. I do not know what the current status of the case is but certainly this is a slap in the face to WPT,

8.) As UIGEA continues to kick in, interest in poker will keep going down and down,

9.) As I noted yesterday, WPT has NOT reached an agreement with Travel Channel for season 7 broadcast rights. The deadline they set was March 10, but they had to extend it to April 1. If WPT gets dumped by Travel, and they could beacause season 7 is for year 2009, then WPT is really cooked. Remember, season 7 will not be broadcast until 2009 and imagine where poker will be by then considering how fast it is imploding post UIGEA,

10.) WPTE Enterprises stock price has plunged from a 7/8/05 high of $24.35 to a current $4.37. So Wall Street is not too thrilled with the future of the company.

BOTTOM LINE: Yes WPT could go Busto over the next few years. Will they? We shall see.

Jetto 03-14-2007 01:55 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
I jeard that abunch of pros where sueing it..but Is the cause unknown?

sputum 03-14-2007 01:55 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
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Will they? We shall see.

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I read all of that and you don't know? [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Maybe tomorrow's epistle? Can chart the pre and post Shana WPT goodness/suckiness trend? For our intellectation? Maybe?

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dlk9s 03-14-2007 03:50 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
Wow, Gaboon's analysis is earth shattering.

The WPT has been struggling for a couple years now. The recent financial reports are nothing new.

Svarog 03-14-2007 05:40 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
Let's see, the prize pools are covered by the buyins, and the production costs must not be that large (compared to scripted TV shows, for example)... how could they lose money year after year?

Army Eye 03-14-2007 05:50 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
Pretty sure Shana left on her own accord. Overall a lot of good points though.

sonofstev 03-14-2007 05:56 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
Sabina is awesome.

stephenNUTS 03-14-2007 06:41 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
Shana was about to become a "new" MOM,and when she needed that hiatus the WPT decided to find a new girl,,,,,and then another,,,,and then,,,,,,.Whether she left on her own accord or the WPT is unknown to me???

As the previous OP stated though,I believe a very LARGE percenatge of the non-poker crowd as well as poker players in general loved her and the ratings of those early shows had something to do with her

All IMHO,
~stephen

gaboonviper 03-14-2007 07:39 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
Shana was FIRED from WPT-- she did not quit.

Greg (FossilMan) 03-14-2007 10:31 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
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Shana was FIRED from WPT-- she did not quit.

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Maybe nobody on the outside knows it all, but according to the lawsuit filed by Shana, she quit the WPT because they were presenting her with a hostile workplace environment, and she was being harrassed by Steve Lipscomb and another top executive of the WPT. Not sexual harrassment, but emotional harrassment, according to her complaint.

No surprise to me if Shana's side of the story is 100% accurate.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

gaboonviper 03-14-2007 10:53 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
I had been told by a reliable source that Shana had been fired. Nice to hear from Greg with what actually happened. Also nice to see he reads my posts.

MrFizzbin 03-15-2007 02:14 AM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
Soooo much inaccuracy here.... where to start..

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Continuing from my post of yesterday, we must now go into more detail about why the WPT could go bust over the next few years:


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Thank you captain obvious... Did you hear that men landed on the moon (THE MOON CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT !!!) Lets see no revenue outside of 1 product that may be canceled or have to find a new home somewhere else for less.... Gee don't see how that would affect the bottom line...

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1.) UIGEA has caused online pokersite sponsorship for the show to go way way down. And it is only a matter of time before Stars and Tilt are forced to leave the US market,


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Actually WPT removing UB/Party and the other events from the schedule as well as lauching their site caused more issues with advertisers than the new law did. My guess is you didn't hear about that...

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3.) The WPT online poker room has been a big fat flop,


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Gee not being in the US market, and the fact that the client couldn't run for more than 8 hours without crashing might have been a reason..
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4.) Mike Sexton will probably retire soon and I cannot think of anyone who could do the job nearly as well as him,


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There are lots of people who can do that job, the donky shove fest issue is most important

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5.) Replacing Shana was one of the most stupid mistakes WPT could have made. None of the new girls are anywhere near as appealing as Shana was. Believe me, quite a few viewers watched the show beacause of Shana, not the poker,


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yeah everybody like shana, but nobody is tuning in to see her or hear her voiceovers. Her total screen time was probably less than 3 minutes... per show
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6.) PPT completely failed,


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Mainly due to lipscombes mishandling of sponsorships by alienating online providers and insistence on rights fees,versus time buy

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7.) WPT is being sued by many of the top pros including Lederer, Hachem, Raymer and a few others. I do not know what the current status of the case is but certainly this is a slap in the face to WPT,


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Which has had no effect on the bottom line, or the peoples perception of events as attendance at WPT events remains high
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8.) As UIGEA continues to kick in, interest in poker will keep going down and down,


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Not gonna happen chicken little...

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9.) As I noted yesterday, WPT has NOT reached an agreement with Travel Channel for season 7 broadcast rights. The deadline they set was March 10, but they had to extend it to April 1. If WPT gets dumped by Travel, and they could beacause season 7 is for year 2009, then WPT is really cooked. Remember, season 7 will not be broadcast until 2009 and imagine where poker will be by then considering how fast it is imploding post UIGEA,

10.) WPTE Enterprises stock price has plunged from a 7/8/05 high of $24.35 to a current $4.37. So Wall Street is not too thrilled with the future of the company.


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Thank you MR obvious but you are no Olivert he's covered this topic better and more accurately than you have. Thanks for posting but you sir are no Olivert, but you are a master of the obvious. For your next report will we hear that the sky is blue...

gaboonviper 04-05-2007 03:02 PM

Re: WPT Busto! Could WPT Go Bust Over the Next Few Years?!!
 
Travel Channel dumping WPT is the beginning of the end for the World Poker Tour. GSN is no Travel Channel and the WPT will not get nearly as many viewers on GSN. Also, High Stakes Poker is so much better than WPT, it will make the WPT look all the worse when they are on the same channel and may even air back to back.


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