KK deep vs a clown
 

Opponent is 30/20/2 over 100 hands. He is a calling station, three bets alot and puts people all in all the time (so far people have either been folding or he has shown down good hands). I also don't recall him folding to a three bet.

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$2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
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<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
BTN: $1627
Hero (SB): $967.6
BB: $401
UTG: $389
MP: $396
CO: $622.70

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6, 6 players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $14</font>, MP folds, CO folds, BTN calls $14, <font color="red">Hero raises to $85</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, BTN calls $71

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($188, 2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $124</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $333</font>

Re: KK deep vs a clown
 

if he is really a clown then get it in. WTF.

Re: KK deep vs a clown
 

he hasn't shown down a bluff. however, people have been folding alot or playing back at him with air.

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get it in. ZZZ.

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blah stacksizes makes it scary but yeah push?

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One-way ticket to push-city please.

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I really think this "clown" is telling you what he has with the raise up to "333".

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edit: nevermind

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gotta push, pot is enormous.

Re: KK deep vs a clown
 

Trust your read and get it in.

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One-way ticket to push-city please.

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One-way ticket to push-city please.

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Yep... if he has you beat so be it, but his range is so huge here you're ahead almost always...

Re: KK deep vs a clown
 

btw the clown is fristsux. who I just noticed multitables up to 5/10.

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how can you not get it in with ur read?

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how can you not get it in with ur read?

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basically, i've telegraphed my hand through the preflop action and he still raises me. 67 or Adxd aren't a big part of his range. My push lets him play optimally and relies on him being completely retarted (i.e. having 99 type of hands as a decent part of his range). I am not sure if he is completely retarted, he has been extremely aggressive but I haven't seen him show down.

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how can you not get it in with ur read?

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basically, i've telegraphed my hand through the preflop action and he still raises me. 67 or Adxd aren't a big part of his range. My push lets him play optimally and relies on him being completely retarted (i.e. having 99 type of hands as a decent part of his range). I am not sure if he is completely retarted, he has been extremely aggressive but I haven't seen him show down.

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i would have to disagree with you, i dont think you have telegraphed your hand, and i think your hand is good often enough in this spot. He could be drawing and you need to protect your hand, pushing is best here.

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firstsux playing 30/20??? i have him like 23/16 over 1200 hands. but ya just go broke here.

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judging by that description he's not exactly clowny. but shove.

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I haven't read the responses. I'd probably push, but I wouldn't feel great about it.

Re: KK deep vs a clown
 

fristsux is not really that big of a clown. infact, he's pretty solid in my book.

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He called the initial raise and then called the squeeze. He either has a set, possibly 99 (tho it seems like he'd pop it up pf) or air. Why not call and re-eval turn? I don't think he's calling a push with anything you beat.

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btw I wanna say this again:

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fristsux is not really that big of a clown. infact, he's pretty solid in my book.

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Opponent is 30/20/2 over 100 hands. He is a calling station, three bets alot and puts people all in all the time (so far people have either been folding or he has shown down good hands). I also don't recall him folding to a three bet.

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so basically, he's very aggro PF, doesn't fold much, calls down light, but every time he's played back at he has the goods. yeah, that sounds really clowny.

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how can you not get it in with ur read?

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basically, i've telegraphed my hand through the preflop action and he still raises me. 67 or Adxd aren't a big part of his range. My push lets him play optimally and relies on him being completely retarted (i.e. having 99 type of hands as a decent part of his range). I am not sure if he is completely retarted, he has been extremely aggressive but I haven't seen him show down.

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i would have to disagree with you, i dont think you have telegraphed your hand, and i think your hand is good often enough in this spot. He could be drawing and you need to protect your hand, pushing is best here.

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I was playing devil's advocate. I obviously pushed. I wasn't happy about it but what can you do. If he shows me better he wins. You are right about him having a draw. He lost the coinflip with AdJd.

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firstsux playing 30/20??? i have him like 23/16 over 1200 hands. but ya just go broke here.

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yep he was calling utg raises with 35s etc.

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yep he was calling utg raises with 35s etc.

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FullTiltPoker Game #1977923981: Table Warwick (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:21:19 ET - 2007/03/13
Seat 1: FristSux ($841.40)
Seat 2: Antplays ($355.90)
Seat 3: Flops Like Me ($1,020.40)
Seat 4: GimmeYourCandy ($495.60)
Seat 5: xxJKxx ($400)
Seat 6: lexusvacation ($796.10)
Flops Like Me posts the small blind of $2
GimmeYourCandy posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FristSux [3d 5d]
xxJKxx raises to $14
lexusvacation folds
FristSux calls $14
Antplays folds
Flops Like Me folds
GimmeYourCandy folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 3c 7s]
xxJKxx bets $24
FristSux calls $24
*** TURN *** [Jc 3c 7s] [5s]
xxJKxx checks
FristSux bets $57
xxJKxx raises to $362, and is all in
FristSux calls $305
xxJKxx shows [Kd Td]
FristSux shows [3d 5d]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 3c 7s 5s] [Kh]
xxJKxx shows a pair of Kings
FristSux shows two pair, Fives and Threes
FristSux wins the pot ($803) with two pair, Fives and Threes
xxJKxx adds $400
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $806 | Rake $3
Board: [Jc 3c 7s 5s Kh]
Seat 1: FristSux showed [3d 5d] and won ($803) with two pair, Fives and Threes
Seat 2: Antplays (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Flops Like Me (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: GimmeYourCandy (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: xxJKxx showed [Kd Td] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: lexusvacation didn't bet (folded)

46% equity is better than 0%.

Re: KK deep vs a clown
 

with your description i dont understand why you didnt instashove

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firstsux playing 30/20??? i have him like 23/16 over 1200 hands. but ya just go broke here.

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yep he was calling utg raises with 35s etc.

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35s is the nuts

as to the hand. what kind of answers were you expecting? given your read ( which seems to be somewhat off judging from what others say ) get it in?