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A_F 03-06-2007 07:47 AM

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I just finished reading Professional Poker by Mark Blade. I thought it was a pretty good book especially the section on bankroll management. He mentions two yet to be published books by himself several times in the text. Does anyone have any information on when these books will be released?

PJS 03-06-2007 08:10 AM

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I just finished reading Professional Poker by Mark Blade. I thought it was a pretty good book especially the section on bankroll management. He mentions two yet to be published books by himself several times in the text. Does anyone have any information on when these books will be released?

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Here is a link to the relevant part of his website.

Diana Ross Fan 11-09-2007 11:39 PM

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I am on Mark Blade's Newsgroup/mailing list or whatever it is on google groups. There seems to be a lot of activity but no text. Is anyone else on it?

Doc T River 11-10-2007 12:49 AM

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I have Blade's book, but I am not on his list although I have emailed him to get information about the release date of the remaining volumes. I never got an answer.

Jackal69 11-10-2007 08:21 AM

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i read this up until the point he made some ridiculous claim about 10 buyins been a good bankroll for NL cash or similar (dont remember exact details) and then just stopped. It was faily basic up until that point as far as i remember...

Doc T River 11-10-2007 09:46 AM

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i read this up until the point he made some ridiculous claim about 10 buyins been a good bankroll for NL cash or similar (dont remember exact details) and then just stopped. It was faily basic up until that point as far as i remember...

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Do you have it confused with another book? I looked through it and he seems to have said that you need about 400 x the BB.

Cactus Jack 11-10-2007 09:14 PM

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800, actually.

avatar77 11-10-2007 09:42 PM

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I may be wrong but wasn't there an errata list for his first book (the first printing)? Could someone send me a link to it if they have it?

RowdyZ 11-10-2007 10:06 PM

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I may be wrong but wasn't there an errata list for his first book (the first printing)? Could someone send me a link to it if they have it?

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Mark Blade

avatar77 11-10-2007 10:30 PM

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thanks!

Doc T River 11-11-2007 10:26 AM

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800, actually.

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We are both correct, actually. I meant BB as in big bet and you meant BB as in big blind.

Even though no limit does not have a big bet as there is in limit, you can figure out what the equivalent is and go from there.

Starfish 11-13-2007 11:36 PM

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Anything else useful in this book, other than bad bankroll advice?

SNOWBALL 11-14-2007 12:03 AM

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Anything else useful in this book, other than bad bankroll advice?

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his BR advice on limit hold em was fine. I liked the book overall, and was disappointed that the others didn't end up getting published.

Starfish 11-14-2007 12:07 AM

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Limit? Someone claimed above it was for NL.

What useful info did you find in it? And is it confirmed that those other volumes won't come out?

Diana Ross Fan 11-14-2007 01:19 AM

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Anything else useful in this book, other than bad bankroll advice?

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there was some useful analysis of the effect of rake and bad players on win rates. My only complaint is that the origin numbers is unknown, as though they were pulled from somewhere.

JJay1231 11-14-2007 05:17 AM

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this is one of the most useless poker books I have ever read.

Doc T River 11-14-2007 09:17 AM

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Limit? Someone claimed above it was for NL.

What useful info did you find in it? And is it confirmed that those other volumes won't come out?

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He has bankroll guidance for limit, no limit, and tournaments.

Doc T River 11-14-2007 09:18 AM

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this is one of the most useless poker books I have ever read.

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Given that you do not elucidate, I find your post to be pretty useless.

SNOWBALL 11-14-2007 10:41 AM

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this is one of the most useless poker books I have ever read.

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Given that you do not elucidate, I find your post to be pretty useless.

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yep

eric3770 11-14-2007 11:58 AM

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I seriously think the reason the other two books weren't published is that he never wrote them. I think he had a few essays on certain poker concepts and imagined that he would finish the books soon.

I remember him stating that one of his yet to be released books (Professional Poker 3) was his "finest achievement" which was ludicrous since the book almost certainly wasn't written at the time. I think it was on the emotional aspects of poker such as avoiding tilt.

Since PP3 was already complete in 2005 why is the expected date for release in early 2008?

DeadMoneyWalking 11-14-2007 02:53 PM

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I seriously think the reason the other two books weren't published is that he never wrote them. I think he had a few essays on certain poker concepts and imagined that he would finish the books soon.

I remember him stating that one of his yet to be released books (Professional Poker 3) was his "finest achievement" which was ludicrous since the book almost certainly wasn't written at the time. I think it was on the emotional aspects of poker such as avoiding tilt.

Since PP3 was already complete in 2005 why is the expected date for release in early 2008?

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Maybe he was writing the rush, but now that his ideas have run cold he is too emotionally distraught to write the other books.

fraac 11-14-2007 02:58 PM

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The whole "writing about tilt" thing - it's a bunch of nonsense surely. Attractive nonsense of course, like any self-help book. Degen style tilt is because you're an addict, you can't read your way around it. Then again, if I've learned one thing in my 30 years it's that everyone else is stupid.

Doc T River 11-14-2007 07:43 PM

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The whole "writing about tilt" thing - it's a bunch of nonsense surely. Attractive nonsense of course, like any self-help book. Degen style tilt is because you're an addict, you can't read your way around it. Then again, if I've learned one thing in my 30 years it's that everyone else is stupid.

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Is that thirty years of playing, thirty years of living, what?

Personally, in my forty plus years of living, I find that we don't know as much as we think. Or at least I think I know that. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Cactus Jack 11-14-2007 10:35 PM

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The whole "writing about tilt" thing - it's a bunch of nonsense surely. Attractive nonsense of course, like any self-help book. Degen style tilt is because you're an addict, you can't read your way around it. Then again, if I've learned one thing in my 30 years it's that everyone else is stupid.

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Is that thirty years of playing, thirty years of living, what?

Personally, in my forty plus years of living, I find that we don't know as much as we think. Or at least I think I know that. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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And in my fifty plus years, I've found that people who think they know everything really annoy the hell out of those of us who really do.

Doc T River 11-14-2007 10:39 PM

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The whole "writing about tilt" thing - it's a bunch of nonsense surely. Attractive nonsense of course, like any self-help book. Degen style tilt is because you're an addict, you can't read your way around it. Then again, if I've learned one thing in my 30 years it's that everyone else is stupid.

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Is that thirty years of playing, thirty years of living, what?

Personally, in my forty plus years of living, I find that we don't know as much as we think. Or at least I think I know that. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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And in my fifty plus years, I've found that people who think they know everything really annoy the hell out of those of us who really do.

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And the thread jumps the shark! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

JJay1231 11-15-2007 03:49 AM

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this is one of the most useless poker books I have ever read.

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Given that you do not elucidate, I find your post to be pretty useless.

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Oh im sorry, i didn't know I had to elucidate myself in every single post on here.....well here goes.....

The book has nothing and I mean NOTHING on poker strategy and is basically a book on getting prepared to be a pro.(wow!) If you need information on how much bankroll you need, odds charts, dealing with bad beats, what other books you need to read, and shameless plugs of his so called up and coming books in almost every chapter, then this is your book.

For those who are actually interested in improving their poker, this book is useless .

this book is for people who haven't the slightest idea on the game and who have probably never bought a poker book in their lives.

Let me know if this is enough for you, if not ill "elucidate" some more.

Starfish 11-15-2007 04:14 AM

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It's not enough for me. Would you consider it better or worse than Scott Fischmann's book?

JJay1231 11-15-2007 06:24 AM

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havent read Fischmanns book and I dont think I want to, especially after reading some of the reviews on it.

JennPKRpro 11-15-2007 01:12 PM

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i read this up until the point he made some ridiculous claim about 10 buyins been a good bankroll for NL cash or similar (dont remember exact details) and then just stopped. It was faily basic up until that point as far as i remember...

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You stopped over one section? At least finish it.

deacsoft 11-15-2007 03:51 PM

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havent read Fischmanns book and I dont think I want to, especially after reading some of the reviews on it.

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I agree with this statement.

dirty banana2007 11-15-2007 03:53 PM

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i think fischmanns book has more value than the Blades one, at least for someone new to poker.

mickeyzee 11-15-2007 04:25 PM

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i read this up until the point he made some ridiculous claim about 10 buyins been a good bankroll for NL cash or similar (dont remember exact details) and then just stopped. It was faily basic up until that point as far as i remember...

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His book suggests 15 BI for an expert, 20 BI for merely "great" players, and 30 BI for "good to very good" which doesnt seem like bad advice. But other than that, this book lacks any good information on NLHE.

MCS 11-15-2007 05:46 PM

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The book has nothing and I mean NOTHING on poker strategy and is basically a book on getting prepared to be a pro.(wow!) If you need information on how much bankroll you need, odds charts, dealing with bad beats, what other books you need to read,

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What did you expect? It's called "Professional Poker: The Essential Guide to Playing for a Living." Every single review as well as the book title and description indicate that the book will be exactly what it is.

If you still couldn't figure it out, that's your fault, not Mark Blade's. The book is excellent. Your criticism of it is ridiculous and your certainty and sarcasm make you look like an idiot.

avatar77 11-15-2007 05:57 PM

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Agreed.

Blade's book and Greenstein's shouldn't be about strategy and charts/odds - but on how to deal with playing for a living. If you intend to go pro, it should be assumed that you are a reasonably good enough player and you have the strategy down (at least from other books).

One of the biggest obstacles is managing psychological issues such as tilt and bankroll, etc...

Doc T River 11-15-2007 07:35 PM

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i read this up until the point he made some ridiculous claim about 10 buyins been a good bankroll for NL cash or similar (dont remember exact details) and then just stopped. It was faily basic up until that point as far as i remember...

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His book suggests 15 BI for an expert, 20 BI for merely "great" players, and 30 BI for "good to very good" which doesnt seem like bad advice. But other than that, this book lacks any good information on NLHE.

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Are you talking about Blade's book or Fischman's book?

Doc T River 11-15-2007 07:37 PM

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this is one of the most useless poker books I have ever read.

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Given that you do not elucidate, I find your post to be pretty useless.

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Oh im sorry, i didn't know I had to elucidate myself in every single post on here.....well here goes.....

The book has nothing and I mean NOTHING on poker strategy and is basically a book on getting prepared to be a pro.(wow!) If you need information on how much bankroll you need, odds charts, dealing with bad beats, what other books you need to read, and shameless plugs of his so called up and coming books in almost every chapter, then this is your book.

For those who are actually interested in improving their poker, this book is useless .

this book is for people who haven't the slightest idea on the game and who have probably never bought a poker book in their lives.

Let me know if this is enough for you, if not ill "elucidate" some more.

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Thanks for the elucidation and your criticism of the book is not valid. It is not a book to teach you how to play, but a book on how to prepare to play for a living.

JJay1231 11-16-2007 05:04 AM

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The book has nothing and I mean NOTHING on poker strategy and is basically a book on getting prepared to be a pro.(wow!) If you need information on how much bankroll you need, odds charts, dealing with bad beats, what other books you need to read,

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What did you expect? It's called "Professional Poker: The Essential Guide to Playing for a Living." Every single review as well as the book title and description indicate that the book will be exactly what it is.

If you still couldn't figure it out, that's your fault, not Mark Blade's. The book is excellent. Your criticism of it is ridiculous and your certainty and sarcasm make you look like an idiot.

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the book is called "Professional Poker" The essential guide for playing for a living" when the majority of its content doesn't even resemble anything professional, just basic common sense.

If you think this book is excellent then you havent read enough poker books.

eric3770 11-16-2007 02:04 PM

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One problem that comes up when one has read a great deal of poker literature is that the more one reads, the more one reads things they've already read before.

Blade's book is great if one is new to poker books or message boards but can seem repetitive to those who are well read in the field.

MCS 11-16-2007 03:23 PM

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the book is called "Professional Poker" The essential guide for playing for a living" when the majority of its content doesn't even resemble anything professional, just basic common sense.

If you think this book is excellent then you havent read enough poker books.

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It's not a strategy guide, it's about everything else that goes into being a pro. There are many ways you could have figured this out. If you don't care about that, fine, then don't read the book. What you can't do is invent a purpose for it and then get mad when it doesn't deliver. Your complaint is like saying that reading HPFAP didn't improve your seven-card stud game as much as you wanted.

I've read a ton of books, and this is one of the better ones. I believe Mason Malmuth gave it a 9. I guess he hasn't read enough poker books either.

JJay1231 11-16-2007 06:28 PM

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Figured it out? This book hasn't anything to do with "Professional Poker", only getting prepared to be a pro, which anyone with some common sense should know how to do (or figure out on their own). Like you said, this book delivers nothing on poker strategy and that's why I said it's one of the most useless poker books I have ever read and I stick to it.

This book is neither "professional" or "essential" like it says in its title and how you can say that it delivers what it intended is quite laughable.

This book should have been called "Getting prepared to play poker for beginners".

If you thought it was a great book then fine, im not going to harp on this.

cheers.


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