differences in strength in micro limit games
 

Hi guys,

I've just started playing .50/$1 after working my way up from the 2/4c games and i was wondering if there was much difference in strength between any of the the micro limits levels, and at which level in particular the difference is really noticeable. For example, if i were to play at the $1/$2 , $2/$4 or $3/6 would it be much different from what i play now?

thanks,

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lol, yes. each level gets harder. otherwise everyone would go right to 100/200? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Yes, Quite a difference. The sucky players usually suck the same way, but the better players are better, and will (generally) make you pay if you get out of line.

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During my latest 20BB challenge, I would say that the biggest difference comes when moving from 25/50c to .5/1. But there will still be a difference moving up every level above and below that. And of course, that's just what I've noticed.

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Each limit is different. Your success, and where you experience the greatest change in the game, is largely dependent on your style.

e.g. if you're over-aggro, you're going to get murdered by the 1/2 rock garden, but if you're weak-tight you'll get through it ok. But, if you're weak-tight, you're going to get murdered at 2/4, where players start paying attention.

There's also some differentiation among different sites.

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I would say that the biggest difference comes when moving from 25/50c to .5/1.

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I agree.

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Interesting. I am having way more trouble going from .5/1 to 1/2. Mostly psychological, since a 40 BB swing is 'real money'.

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Why doesn't that make sense? You hit .5/1, competition is more difficult transition than it's been. Why shouldn't it be difficult to get past it?

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for some reason the 1/2 --> 2/4 transition is giving me fits. i never struggled any until then.

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Why doesn't that make sense? You hit .5/1, competition is more difficult transition than it's been. Why shouldn't it be difficult to get past it?

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Because I feel comfortable, and am doing well in 0.5/1, but when I move up, I feel uncomfortable, and turn back into a tight nit, easily bullied, unwilling to reraise flops w/ Ace hi flush draws etc...

Bankroll and winrate say move up, sphincter says keep playing 0.5/1.

Todd

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for some reason the 1/2 --> 2/4 transition is giving me fits. i never struggled any until then.

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BBB FR or 6m?

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fr.
i don't have guts to try 2/4 6m yet since it's more swingy than full. i do 1/2 6m tho.

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I play FT FR. I found a step up in difficulty from .25/.5 to .5/1. Seems (so far) that 1/2 isn't that harder then .5/1.

However, I have found the "mix" of players different. It seems like at 1/2, the 1 or 2 "poor" players (gamblers who don't care about the money, the clueless, or, the just bad players are the "donators" to the rest of the table) are far more noticeable/significant. The advice i've read about "iso-raises" preflop has really been useful.

It also seems like at 1/2, the much sought after "respect your raises" also seems true ... *chuckles*. I imagine that (though i've no experience) at 2/4, this "predicability" will cause me problems ...

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Why doesn't that make sense? You hit .5/1, competition is more difficult transition than it's been. Why shouldn't it be difficult to get past it?

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Because I feel comfortable, and am doing well in 0.5/1, but when I move up, I feel uncomfortable, and turn back into a tight nit, easily bullied, unwilling to reraise flops w/ Ace hi flush draws etc...

Bankroll and winrate say move up, sphincter says keep playing 0.5/1.

Todd

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take a shot, i took a 75BB hit (bad play, bad tilt, bad cards) and was forced to move down to .5/1 6m (ITS LIKE WOW A GOLDMINE?). I plan to take another shot as soon as my BR hits $600 again, except this time its at full tilt (instead of the PS rock garden)

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fr.
i don't have guts to try 2/4 6m yet since it's more swingy than full. i do 1/2 6m tho.

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If my memory serves me correctly you mainly play at UB. Personally when I played @ UB I didn't like the 2/4 6m game there, I much preferred AP or Stars.
FWIW Stars 2/4 6m is pretty soft, but not too LP which is what I liked about it 'cause I hate playing @ tables full of LPP fish. (unless of course the deck is being very favorable to me!)
If you are beating 1/2 6m @ UB, my guess is you should go well at the 2/4 6m game @ Stars. (Take into account I'm assuming based on UB about 6 months ago compared to Stars present).

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Well, the first time around (before taking most of my money out of the pokersites because of Congress), I found the move from .5/1 to 1/2 the hardest.

I'm gradually working my way back up so we will see what happens when I get back to 1/2 this time.

Doc

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Because I feel comfortable , and am doing well in 0.5/1, but when I move up, I feel uncomfortable, and turn back into a tight nit, easily bullied, unwilling to reraise flops w/ Ace hi flush draws etc...


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I've taken some minor shots at 1/2 in the past, but found myself playing rockish and getting bullied around as well. After playing about 200k hands at 0.5/1 I've found I'm no longer scared of the brutal 1/2 6max swings. So when my head is clear and I feel on top of my game I play 1/2, when I'm a bit out of it (read: tired) I mostly just play .5/1 on autopilot. In the word of Borat Sagdiyev: Great success!

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Oh, and I dont find the tables that much harder on 1/2. They're more aggressive and there are more competent players, but the fish frequency is usually more than sufficient with good table selection.

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i thought the move from 1/2 to 2/4 was the most difficult. i only play 6-max, and i've found the 2/4 games tend to be more aggressive/fewer calling stations. for you full-ringers, try 6-max for a change--lots of fun =)

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you will find the games get easier as you go up, as more players will play properly and respect your raises. thus they get easier to read and you wont get so many terrible suckouts

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you will find the games get easier as you go up, as more players will play properly and respect your raises. thus they get easier to read and you wont get so many terrible suckouts

[/ QUOTE ]Surely there are the imaginative ones that like variety and sneakyness to make your life difficult. If the games get easier as they go up then I need to get my butt in gear and get to $2/4! (Though I question the accuracty of your statement)

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I think the occasional suck-out is more than worth it for all of the money you make from loose-passives.

Don't be in a hurry to jump up in limits. There's a great deal of money to be made at .25/.50 and .50/1.00 and it doesn't require that you be excellent at poker.

Enjoy the free money!

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Well I have only gone from $1/$2 to $2/$4. And I have only played about 5k hands at $2/$4 and have noticed that at the difference in the games does not touch the rakebreak I get on Full Tilt. The games are easier and harder in some respects. If I raise a limper with QJ and the flop comes up ugly. I am much more likely to steal it with a single bet when it is likely I do not have the best hand. But at $1/$2 I had to double barrel to have a chance at stealing a pot. Now there is a bit more check/raising here and a lot more bluffing. But again it works to my advantage because the screwplay is easier to use at this level. So I say the play is about the same after the adjustments but I am paying much less rake and at about 2BB/100 hands up to this point. That will probably drop a bit but really there is nothing special about the play there.

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eskimo is being facetious guys.

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If you practice good table selection and play multiple sites you should be able to find good tables at almost all times at almost any limit. The play will be completely different as you move up (the fish will be 50/20 instead of 35/2), but they will be good tables nonetheless.

Now I just need to start practicing what I preach - all my money is on Stars and I need to diversify.