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So I'm usually a $9-18 up to $20-40 LHE player. But a few weeks ago I watched a $6-12 Omaha 8 table with full kill. The players were beyond attrocious. I'm no expert Omaha player, but I am skilled in hi/lo games(they were the first poker I learned), and I know full well that bad Omaha players are just about the easiest money there is in poker. So I passed on my holdem game and sat down at Omaha. And killed it bad. And for each subsequent session as well.

So I finally get called for my seat last night and am seated to the right of a guy with a huge stack of chips...maybe 4-5 racks worth. I watch him play. He is ok. Not nearly as bad as everyone else, and probably the third best player at the table. The dropoff from him and one other guy to the five worst players is beyond astonishing. Three of those guys are regular donators to the game. One has dropped at least $600 every time I have played there and clearly has more money than sense. I am pretty quiet in this game and have made nice with most of the fish, and definitely with the 3 or so other good players. After a while the gf/wife of the guy to my left comes up to the table. He is happy due to his win. Most everyone else is miserable. Not uncommon at Omaha. But to me its bad when the fish aren't happy.

So she starts loudly carrying on about some horrible beat she took in a $40 buy in NL game. Seriousy. She expected people to respect her raises. WTF? You would think her husband/bf MIGHT take control of things, but no. He lets her continue on. And she goes on about "donkey" this and "donkey" that. And all I see as I look around the table are five donkeys that don't know they are donkeys, but are about to find out. Sure enough the biggest fish at the table...the guy who loses $600 a session...pipes up with "What's a donkey?".

Nice.

Please STFU next time and please make your dummy gf/wife/male pleasure palace STFU as well.

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What's the problem?
Unless the gf called one of your fish a donkey, ie:

"What's a donkey?"
"An idiot like you who throws away his money chasing two outers and non-nut draws. Mike here told me about you idiots."

And if he loses $600 a session, calling him a "donkey", even by inference, isn't going to change much.

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What's the problem?
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Angus, I often agree with you, but not here.

Sounds like the table where sternroolz was playing had a fine vibe going. People were having a good time and feel content to pull open their wallet and buy in again and again.

Now it may be that in other games, a rebuy represents a wish to get even, and a competitive air does not discourage that. But if they are rebuying because they are having a good time, the last thing you want is someone making them feel stupid for doing so.

Someone using the word "donkey" to describe players, even someone outside the table referring to other players outside of the table, can introduce a competitive spirit that was not already there, and ruin the mood.

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Honestly this is a pretty ridiculous post, no offense. The woman, who is discussing an experience in an entirely different game altogether, has a right to speak her mind. Unfortunately, life is not 100% perfect and a stranger isn't going to stay quiet just so that game conditions are ideal for the perceived shark at the table.

Also, your commentary is severely overexaggerated. They're about to find out they are donkeys? Cmon buddy, this is pretty absurd. No one dropping $600 nightly at $6-$12 Omaha 8b live is going to suddenly have an epiphany and become a better player because some guy's wife spoke up. Be realistic. Most players who are terrible got that way because of a poor method of learning the game, and 95% of THAT sample of people will never correct themselves regardless of what was said to them.

This is going out on a limb here, but did you begin losing to all the "donkeys" around the time this happened?

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Reminds me of this scene

Babyheads

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I think that he didn't want the flow of the juicy game interrupted & I can't blame him. Sucks if it effected the game but hopefully it didn't too much.

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Well, my view falls somewhere between the extremes of the OP and Angus or FireStorm. It's axiomatic that getting bad players to think about the fact that there are good and bad ways of playing poker is -EV.

OTOH, the gf's comment just sounds like someone pissed off about busting out and need not be a reflection on how anyone, in her game or in the O8 game, actually played. The guy would be wise to diffuse it, e.g., "It just wasn't your day," or some other comment emphasizing the luck of the game rather than the skill level of the players.

Of course away from the table, the girlfriend might chastise him for being unsupportive, he might respond by explaining why this response was +EV, and it would be interesting to see how the relationship would develop from there (if it survived).

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meh, she's tilting over some beat at NL40. She's not likely to be the type who would be very rational about any explanation like that.

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This is going out on a limb here, but did you begin losing to all the "donkeys" around the time this happened?

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I was slightly stuck at the time. I finished the session +405

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Please STFU next time and please make your dummy gf/wife/male pleasure palace STFU as well.

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Concur.

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Sounds like the table where sternroolz was playing had a fine vibe going.



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Really?

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Most everyone else is miserable.

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Angus - If only MOST of the players are miserable then that can be considered a really nice vibe for an Omaha table.

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Sounds like the table where sternroolz was playing had a fine vibe going.



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Really?

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Most everyone else is miserable.

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Good point. I was going by his "make nice with most" comment. But that does not mean anywhere near as much for describing the table mood as "everyone else is miserable."

Still, I would hate to see a player at the table get his ears up and ask "what's a donkey?"

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Regardless of whether or not they become interested in what a donkey actually is, the point is that there is about a 95% chance that they will remain a donkey if they already are in that category. People don't suddenly improve when hearing strategy discussed after calling turns with K664 on a board of A-K-8-8 because they feel they "might" win half the pot.

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Regardless of whether or not they become interested in what a donkey actually is, the point is that there is about a 95% chance that they will remain a donkey if they already are in that category.

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I don't think anyone is arguing that a Donkey is going to turn into an expert instantaneously. It's very likely however, that a Donkey-fish with little or no concept that poker has a skill component, or that there are players who actually study the game mathematically, might have his eyes opened in a scenario like the OP describes. Or perhaps it might just make him aware that one or more of those "skill-based" serious players is sitting at his table.

That could lead to them leaving the table or tightening up or otherwise being more careful/taking the game more seriously.

Being a poker donkey doesn't make someone an all-around fool or idiot.

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This is off the subject but I was just curious. What casino was this at? Is $6/12 the lowest stakes available or are there lower and higher stakes for O8?

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Please STFU next time and please make your dummy gf/wife/male pleasure palace STFU as well.

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Concur.

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I have never learned this trick, getting them to STFU. How do you do it?

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Please STFU next time and please make your dummy gf/wife/male pleasure palace STFU as well.

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[/ QUOTE ]I have never learned this trick, getting them to STFU. How do you do it?

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How about making a copy of this thread and carrying it with you. Then if the situation arises, say to him/her/them, "Excuse me sir (or madam), you seem like a very knowledgable poker player. Could you tell me if there is any merit to this?" and hand it to them.

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Please STFU next time and please make your dummy gf/wife/male pleasure palace STFU as well.

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[/ QUOTE ]I have never learned this trick, getting them to STFU. How do you do it?

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How about making a copy of this thread and carrying it with you. Then if the situation arises, say to him/her/them, "Excuse me sir (or madam), you seem like a very knowledgable poker player. Could you tell me if there is any merit to this?" and hand it to them.

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No no, I meant getting my wife to STFU generally speaking. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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No no, I meant getting my wife to STFU generally speaking.

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If you did know the trick, you could make millions.

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Please STFU next time and please make your dummy gf/wife/male pleasure palace STFU as well.

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Concur.

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I have never learned this trick, getting them to STFU. How do you do it?

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Obviously put something in their mouth.

Too easy?

Cody

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I have never learned this trick, getting them to STFU. How do you do it?

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Pimp hand, son.

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This is off the subject but I was just curious. What casino was this at? Is $6/12 the lowest stakes available or are there lower and higher stakes for O8?


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HG. They also have a $3-6. There are no higher stakes I am aware of. The full kill is in effect often.

Look, the deal is most of these guys are professional business people of some sort...self employed, doctors, etc. They are not dumb at all. But they are bad poker players. Still they are aware of some things(like this blabbermouth). Some of them refuse to play with one of the tighter players there...who also happens to be a decent person..not the typical omaha player ....but last time this tight player came in the game, two players explicitly stated they would not play if that player was in the game and got up and left.

Using an insulting term like donkey in front of people like this is not good at all for the game. Loosing a couple of the looser players makes Omaha 8 a bad game.

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The OP is being a nit. The other players in a casino are under no obligation to help you win money.

What if the girlfriend started talking poker strategy to her boyfriend (about a hand at another table)? The other players might suddenly awaken to the fact that there is strategy in poker and start playing better! How inconsiderate!

Players shouldn't berate the play of others. But that's because by doing so they are being rude to the person they are criticizing and making the room a less pleasant place to play in. But they don't have to factor your win rate into the decision about what is rude and what isn't.

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The OP is being a nit. The other players in a casino are under no obligation to help you win money.

What if the girlfriend started talking poker strategy to her boyfriend (about a hand at another table)? The other players might suddenly awaken to the fact that there is strategy in poker and start playing better! How inconsiderate!

Players shouldn't berate the play of others. But that's because by doing so they are being rude to the person they are criticizing and making the room a less pleasant place to play in. But they don't have to factor your win rate into the decision about what is rude and what isn't.

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I agree and I also have found that it is impossible to make my wife STFU. Any attempts to do this result in an increase in her noise, or force me to pay bribes at a later date (money, flowers, sitting through an Opera, etc). Sorry, but I'm not doing this for your benefit unless you are willing to re-imburse me for the cost.

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Regardless of whether or not they become interested in what a donkey actually is, the point is that there is about a 95% chance that they will remain a donkey if they already are in that category. People don't suddenly improve when hearing strategy discussed after calling turns with K664 on a board of A-K-8-8 because they feel they "might" win half the pot.

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That's a raise, right?

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The OP is being a nit. The other players in a casino are under no obligation to help you win money.

What if the girlfriend started talking poker strategy to her boyfriend (about a hand at another table)? The other players might suddenly awaken to the fact that there is strategy in poker and start playing better! How inconsiderate!

Players shouldn't berate the play of others. But that's because by doing so they are being rude to the person they are criticizing and making the room a less pleasant place to play in. But they don't have to factor your win rate into the decision about what is rude and what isn't.

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I agree and I also have found that it is impossible to make my wife STFU. Any attempts to do this result in an increase in her noise, or force me to pay bribes at a later date (money, flowers, sitting through an Opera, etc). Sorry, but I'm not doing this for your benefit unless you are willing to re-imburse me for the cost.

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So basically your life is one entire bad beat?

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The OP is being a nit. The other players in a casino are under no obligation to help you win money.

What if the girlfriend started talking poker strategy to her boyfriend (about a hand at another table)? The other players might suddenly awaken to the fact that there is strategy in poker and start playing better! How inconsiderate!

Players shouldn't berate the play of others. But that's because by doing so they are being rude to the person they are criticizing and making the room a less pleasant place to play in. But they don't have to factor your win rate into the decision about what is rude and what isn't.

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I agree and I also have found that it is impossible to make my wife STFU. Any attempts to do this result in an increase in her noise, or force me to pay bribes at a later date (money, flowers, sitting through an Opera, etc). Sorry, but I'm not doing this for your benefit unless you are willing to re-imburse me for the cost.

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So basically your life is one entire bad beat?

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Yes, I am married.