$16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

Button is a sitout. Obviously this is a push under normal circumstances. Do you still push it with the sitout? I wasn't sure whether he would come back or not. If you're sure he won't, do you keep folding and make the money with 25 chips or whatever?

Would we even win the race to the money? It hurts my brain to try to figure it out.

Also, if you're the person who said "stupid push" after I pushed it, you're a douche.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t200 with t25 antes (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t3625)
Button (t1640)
Hero (t1540)
BB (t6695)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t1515 (All-in)</font>

Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

I'd push it. I don't think you should change that drastically because someone is sitting out. Tighten up a bit, avoid ATC pushs etc. But, I think you have enough of an edge to be making this push.

Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

I would shove it too. My usual approach to sitouts is to assume that they will come back sooner rather than later, and with 1640 chips it will be quite a few hands before he's blinded out. You have a well above average hand for shoving in the SB, I'd just do it.

Plus (hopefully I don't have this wrong) when it gets to the hand where he has 50 chips more than you, you're in the BB and you're both AI, you need to win against both the inevitable push from one of the other stacks as well as his hand to finish ITM.

Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

This is a pretty borderline push though, isn't it? Against a BB who calls decently it's got to be right near break-even, and throw in the fact that button's sitting out and BB has more than enough chips to spite call I think it's probably a fold. I think I'd also rather push into CO because, despite the fact that you have to push through two big stacks, I think it looks stronger and the stack setup probably tightens up the calling ranges just enough to be useful.

Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

I'm not real big on this push no matter what. SNGPT says that it is about 0 EV against a perfect playing BB but that doesn't tell the whole story. The value of picking up the blind/winning a race is worse then what ICM would predict and I don't really feel like getting into it but he would have to fold a shitton to make me want to push.

Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

i would push any two cards next hand intead of some moderate hand this hand.

Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

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Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

I don't get it either. Explain plz ?

Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

I want a pretty tight guy in the BB to shove this. You still have FE if you fold this so I'd just take it easy and see how the situation develops. But I doubt pushing is a huge mistake unless BB hates you.

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Plus (hopefully I don't have this wrong) when it gets to the hand where he has 50 chips more than you, you're in the BB and you're both AI, you need to win against both the inevitable push from one of the other stacks as well as his hand to finish ITM.

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Sit-outers don't get a showdown at Stars.

Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

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The basic idea is that you'll have much more FE next hand since the BB won't call without a premium hand and SB's calling range will be significantly tighter than it is in this hand.

However I think K7 is too strong to fold here. If hero's hand was weaker I would like a fold/push atc next hand line better.

Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

I think the push is marginal, unless the big stack (who definitely can afford to call wide) is calling fairly tight.

I don't change my play because a player is sitting out, they tend to come back.

Re: $16t: SB push on bubble with a sitout
 

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i would push any two cards next hand intead of some moderate hand this hand.

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I'm going to take a stab at this to see if can figure the logic. I did not get it either but let's see if this sounds reasonable based on the statement.

There is $400 in the pot so your fold equity is diminished against the big stack. He has a larger range this hand that he can call you with than next.

Next hand he has to worry about the 2nd largest stack who is in the BB. The BB (2nd stack) has more at risk in calling you and he's just seen you push into the two largest stacks.