How did God pick a winner for the Super Bowl?
 

Both coaches of this year's Super bowl are professed 'Christian' Coaches. Both give God all the credit after their teams victories. They both have team prayer sessions before a game. How did God decide which team would win this time?

I image most years it is pretty easy for him because there is usually one team that is more religious than the other but this must have been a tough one for him [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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passive permissive will vs active (interfering) will

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passive permissive will vs active (interfering) will

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So he shot some dice then?

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God was in the tub

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Both coaches of this year's Super bowl are professed 'Christian' Coaches. Both give God all the credit after their teams victories. They both have team prayer sessions before a game. How did God decide which team would win this time?

I image most years it is pretty easy for him because there is usually one team that is more religious than the other but this must have been a tough one for him [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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This kind of stuff always amazes me. I wonder if they just say it as a matter of course. I mean... do they HONESTLY think God is involved in something as pointless as football games?

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This time I really think they believe it.

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he picked the side that didnt have Rex Grossman on its roster

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he picked the side that didnt have Rex Grossman on its roster

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So much for God's 'pro-meek' platform.

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he picked the side that didnt have Rex Grossman on its roster

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So much for God's 'pro-meek' platform.

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Dammit. That was hilarious, and I wish I'd said it...:(

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I think this year since both teams were led by good Cristian men god just let them fight it out on the playing field. That means Indy really did win I guess.

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I think this year since both teams were led by good Cristian men god just let them fight it out on the playing field. That means Indy really did win I guess.

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Our first 'true' SB champ?

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I hate when people think God will favor their team. A supreme being would not give a [censored] about a football game.

The sad thing is that more football fans probably prayed for their team to win than for some social problem.

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Both coaches of this year's Super bowl are professed 'Christian' Coaches. Both give God all the credit after their teams victories. They both have team prayer sessions before a game. How did God decide which team would win this time?

I image most years it is pretty easy for him because there is usually one team that is more religious than the other but this must have been a tough one for him [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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God picked all the Super Bowl winners 6000 years ago at the beginning of time. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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The lighter-skinned of the two obviously

Just kidding, it was a JOKE

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The lighter-skinned of the two obviously

Just kidding, it was a JOKE

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that was uncalled for, Ive already notified youre post to the moderator

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The lighter-skinned of the two obviously

Just kidding, it was a JOKE

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Can you make it funny next time?

The <Racist comment> <naw, it's a joke> formula is pretty lame in general.

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I don't think they were thanking "God" for helping them to win the game but for helping them to be the best they could be. Sort of like someone who wins an award and thanks their parents. Of course such a common sense interpretation doesn't lend itself to the cheap shots.

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I don't think they were thanking "God" for helping them to win the game but for helping them to be the best they could be. Sort of like someone who wins an award and thanks their parents. Of course such a common sense interpretation doesn't lend itself to the cheap shots.

PairTheBoard

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Maybe you missed when Dungy said that God put his team down 18 points against NE so they could overcome it?

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I don't think they were thanking "God" for helping them to win the game but for helping them to be the best they could be. Sort of like someone who wins an award and thanks their parents. Of course such a common sense interpretation doesn't lend itself to the cheap shots.

PairTheBoard

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Maybe you missed when Dungy said that God put his team down 18 points against NE so they could overcome it?

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I did miss that. Did he say anything about how God handled the Point Spread?

PairTheBoard

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He had to take into account prayers from:
-Coaches
-Owners
-Players
-Player's family members
-Bookies
-Bettors
-Bettor's family members who wanted them to win VS those who prayed for a cure to the bettor's gambling problem
-Fans

After analyzing his data:
-Number of times times each individual said a prayer
-Number of times they attended church during the season minus the number of times they fell asleep while there
-How many good deeds were done during the season minus the number of curse words used (X2 for the times the lord's name was used.)
-How many episode of The Office each person watched during the season (The Office's producers prayed for ratings)

He used Microsoft Divine Calculator which plugged everything into a standard equation, the answer to which was "the Colts"

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I don't think they were thanking "God" for helping them to win the game but for helping them to be the best they could be. Sort of like someone who wins an award and thanks their parents. Of course such a common sense interpretation doesn't lend itself to the cheap shots.

PairTheBoard

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Maybe you missed when Dungy said that God put his team down 18 points against NE so they could overcome it?

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I did miss that. Did he say anything about how God handled the Point Spread?

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I am dead serious, though. He did say that, and while I won't claim that is a word for word quotation, its extremely close. I remember when I first heard the interview, I thought it was hilarious and so it stuck with me. He said that God directly put them down by 18 so that they could win the Super Bowl. I get the implied moral to the story, overcoming adversity and all that, but it is really a far cry from "God gave me the strength to perform my best."

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The lighter-skinned of the two obviously

Just kidding, it was a JOKE

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Can you make it funny next time?

The <Racist comment> <naw, it's a joke> formula is pretty lame in general.

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The problem with your analysis is that it was not a racist comment. Instead it was a comment about racism. Do you understand the difference?

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I don't think they were thanking "God" for helping them to win the game but for helping them to be the best they could be. Sort of like someone who wins an award and thanks their parents. Of course such a common sense interpretation doesn't lend itself to the cheap shots.

PairTheBoard

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Maybe you missed when Dungy said that God put his team down 18 points against NE so they could overcome it?

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I did miss that. Did he say anything about how God handled the Point Spread?

PairTheBoard

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I am dead serious, though. He did say that, and while I won't claim that is a word for word quotation, its extremely close. I remember when I first heard the interview, I thought it was hilarious and so it stuck with me. He said that God directly put them down by 18 so that they could win the Super Bowl. I get the implied moral to the story, overcoming adversity and all that, but it is really a far cry from "God gave me the strength to perform my best."

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It was pretty startling. Still, I was even more impressed by that Bears press conference yesterday where half of the offensive line renounced their faith.

It was the right thing to do, of course, under the circumstances. When God starts [censored] with you by giving you leads and taking them away, it's time to move on!

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If all things are from God, and all actions are still free will, then God could still "put" you down by 18. FWIW, I believe God causes cancer too. Hense the all things from God. But, if ya want ta argue with me it will be tough, I'm going through a mystique/quantum physics christainity phase. So just about anything you say or I say could be right.

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If all things are from God, and all actions are still free will, then God could still "put" you down by 18. FWIW, I believe God causes cancer too. Hense the all things from God. But, if ya want ta argue with me it will be tough, I'm going through a mystique/quantum physics christainity phase. So just about anything you say or I say could be right.

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Don't worry. We're used to people who can't be argued with!

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In retrospect, I could be argued at, but "with" would probably involve me opposing someone. So that would be the difficulty.

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He said that God directly put them down by 18 so that they could win the Super Bowl.

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I'm sure he thinks his son's suicide was also a part of god's grand plan to lead him to a superbowl championship.

When something good happens - god did it
When something horrible happens - god is testing you

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I'm not sure exactly what the coach said about God's involvement in the 18 point comeback. But I think even that kind of stuff can be defended as a kind of religious hyperbole serving to express the intimacy of their faith in their lives. I think it's a kind of a poetic expression for them rather than meant as a cause and effect type statement of fact. So I'm not so bothered by it.

What does bother me about all of it is the thought of those on the team who might not be so gung ho about all the Christian God Lord Almighty stuff. Do they get traded if they don't convert? Are they somehow second class team members? I imagine some of them might get pretty uncomfortable with all of it.

I also don't like the implication that this Super Bowl publicity for Corporate Success via Corporate Religion will encourage similiar religification in other spheres of endeavor. I understand in certain locals a lot of this kind of thing already takes place. If you are not properly "saved" you are to some degree shunned and ostracized by your fellows in the workplace. I wonder when we will start hearing about Religious Discrimination Lawsuits taking place. Maybe this will be the new growth area for attornies not getting enough sex discrimination cases.

PairTheBoard

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FWIW- I believe- If it's bad God did it.
If it's good God did it.

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he picked the side that didnt have Rex Grossman on its roster

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So much for God's 'pro-meek' platform.

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Well, we don't really know yet whether Rex Grossman will inherit the earth. The meek may or may not inherit the earth, but they don't win very many football games.

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The sad thing is that more football fans probably prayed for their team to win than for some social problem.

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I don't know what this post says, but the avatar is fantastic.

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The problem with Christians is that they will never thank themselves for they're achievements/awesome feats/records/awards is because they have been taught too praise god for everything that is good in them and everything is bad for the devil.

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The problem with Christians is that they will never thank themselves for they're achievements/awesome feats/records/awards is because they have been taught too praise god for everything that is good in them and everything is bad for themselves.

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FYP. The problem of evil is a human problem in Christianity - it's not dualism.

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As a Christian myself, I have never understood how one can believe God created everything, and believe He is not responsible for evil. Most of my friends that I have asked about this, in the end, stated God must have created evil also.

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As a Christian myself, I have never understood how one can believe God created everything, and believe He is not responsible for evil. Most of my friends that I have asked about this, in the end, stated God must have created evil also.

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Adam and Eve created evil. At least, they chose it. God was forced to create evil else we would be robbed of free will. Not sure why he wasn't forced to create blue unicorns for the same reason, but there it is.

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If my choices are A or B, I can’t choose C, because it’s not available.

God created Adam and Eve. They chose evil. Therefore, it must have been available before Adam and Eve.

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If my choices are A or B, I can’t choose C, because it’s not available.

God created Adam and Eve. They chose evil. Therefore, it must have been available before Adam and Eve.

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Right but if it wasn't a choice we didn't have free will. For some reason.

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I believe it was a choice and God created it.

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I believe it was a choice and God created it.

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Ok. I think most theists would agree. The important part is, is it a GOOD thing that he did? Is it in accordance with his benevolence and perfect justice?

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Right. And if God created evil, then why are humans beings held responsible for evil while God is heralded as all-good?