Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

FTP $150, 1st hour. Guy instapushed back over me, I cant think of anything I beat aside from JdTd.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $30/$60
8 players
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Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($420, 7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $360</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1250</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $5116</font>, Hero ?

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

People on FT like to go all in when the flop pairs with things like A9 when 9 is the other flop card. I've seen it so many times, people thinking "..well, only a Q beats me!!" when that's not strictly true. Also high pocket pairs would push too! I'd have called as only 99 and the case queen with a larger kicker beats you at that point.

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

Call, he will show up w/ trapping AA/KK/draws and other overplayed hands often enough to make this a call.

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

I wouldn't raise the flop if I didn't intend on calling the shove. But I WOULD call the shove.

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

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Call, he will show up w/ trapping AA/KK/draws and other overplayed hands often enough to make this a call.

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Then do you think it is a raise on the flop? I am thinking he fires with a lot of diamond draws in that family pot as well as a lot of Q's and maybe 99. My best guess is this is KQ.

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

I'm thinking AA/KK, AQ-KQ-QJ, maybe 99 and some drawing hands. Obviously KQ/QJ not as likely. I definitely think you've got the right odds to call. Probably about 50/50 with the overlay.

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I wouldn't raise the flop if I didn't intend on calling the shove. But I WOULD call the shove.

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what he said.

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

It seems more like a 99-AA than a Q. Mainly because I see players try to slow play the Q here but lead out with 99 hoping the Q is in play, or leading a slow played Higher Pocket thinking that the Q is unlikly in play.

Have you been Lagging it up or pretty quit?
How did he get such a big stack already?

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It seems more like a 99-AA than a Q. Mainly because I see players try to slow play the Q here but lead out with 99 hoping the Q is in play, or leading a slow played Higher Pocket thinking that the Q is unlikly in play.

Have you been Lagging it up or pretty quit?
How did he get such a big stack already?

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The board is so coordinated I doubt anyone is going to slowplay that flop.

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

I believe you have trips, sir.

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

I agree 100% that it would be incorrect to slow play a Q here. That being said, I see alot of players incorrectly look for a check raise on boards like these, vs leading out. Just becuase its a bad play dosn't make it doubtful, Thats why I was wondering how he got his chips.

I guess what I mean is that the only type player you are ahead of here is a bad player. I doubt a good player is going broke in a unraised pot here, with any thing other than a Q or 99. So either he is bad enough to check a Q and lead worse here or Good enough to lead with KQ or AQ or 99.

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I believe you have trips, sir.

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Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

Yes, I raise flop, because I think it maximizes against draws/AA/KK/9x. If he has 9x and you smoothcall, it's not like you're getting much more money out of him vs. when you c/r. But I've seen people on FTP felt 9x here, and it isn't rare, because those dudes put you on a flush draw/TJ/anything they can beat.

From my posts, I may be giving off an impression that this is a super easy call, but that's not what I think. I think it's a call, and not particularly close, but I could see why you are considering a fold, and considering taking a call flop/reeval line in order to keep more of villain's hands that you beat. Villain will show up w/ KQ/99. I just don't think that'll be often enough to make a fold correct.

I think calling flop is fine, but i'm calling intending to c/r AI on a blank turn, c/c a diamond. But calling planning to somehow fold, ehh, really not possible against your generic FTP opponent.

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I believe you have trips, sir.

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I do not see value in raising this flop and I am happy to check through the turn too.

Pot control.

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I do not see value in raising this flop and I am happy to check through the turn too.

Pot control.

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WHAT?

have you ever heard the expression "lol donkaments"?

raise flop/call push/lol at KK, A9, 87d

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

Jurollo --

I think people might be underestimating the equity (especially the chop equity) we have against a better Q. You're just going to see too many worse hands here to fold.

Cornell--

The decision is sort of close because the pot was so many-handed, but QT is way too much hand here to be too worried about controlling the pot.

--Nate

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

Who was he? Unknown i'd call, pro maybe not.

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Have to call.

Re: Set on QQ9 flop... what to do?
 

J-

come on, man.