L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

How do you guys like to play these hands? Raise, call raises? Not play oske of them at all? Examples:

x2356s str8 flush with a gut -12 outs
x2345s - 15 outs

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

i think anything gut/sf and better is a cause for celebration. its so rare, so treat yourself to a FUN hand.

i would call a raise to see the draw, for sure, especially if you can get it multihanded. maybe HU even if i was acting last post-draw.

to raise pre...maybe only to steal blinds (like from the button or SB). i'd think the extra showdown equity of S+F would make me less inclined to semi-bluff this hand. i'd just limp it in i guess

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

Notoriously, unless you are in the blinds in the modern limit draw game draws are just not playable. Two of the few draws that would be sound are the straight flush and gut straightflush draw. Do not ruin them by raising unless you are at the end of a line of limpers otherwise just limp.

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

I play em agressively.

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

Playing them passively is sort of silly if you can buy some fold equity. Obviously in a game where everyone's limping and calling post draw there's no point in raising.

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no, you have to play them passive - you want the pot as multihanded as possible. you'll still miss most of the time even with 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
if they are limpin and calling raises, then we might want to value raise predraw if several limps. otherwise, i think this is just a draw that you'll be playing as cheap as possible.

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no, you have to play them passive - you want the pot as multihanded as possible. you'll still miss most of the time even with 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
if they are limpin and calling raises, then we might want to value raise predraw if several limps. otherwise, i think this is just a draw that you'll be playing as cheap as possible.

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If there's already 3+ other players in the hand you should raise.

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

I got a gut str8 flush draw last night with 2 limpers so I limped in, missed but it got me to thinking that even though these hands will miss more often than not, they don't come around too much like BL said. I can see how some of you may play them passive and agg. If played agg Pre draw most will put you on 2 pair for sure, if passive most ob will put you on a draw hand I assume. Either way, they are fun hands to get.

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I got a gut str8 flush draw last night with 2 limpers so I limped in, missed but it got me to thinking that even though these hands will miss more often than not, they don't come around too much like BL said. I can see how some of you may play them passive and agg. If played agg Pre draw most will put you on 2 pair for sure, if passive most ob will put you on a draw hand I assume. Either way, they are fun hands to get.

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If passive play it aggressively, if aggressive then passively. In the first instance you will pick up the pot whether hitting or missing (and you will miss more often than not), in the second instance you will not be believed for two pair or trips if you are aggressive and this way you get in cheaply and then raise hell if you hit.

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

I Like to play them agressively if i have position.
Any comments on the way i played this one ?
Especially how would you have played after the draw ?

Pot Limit 5 Card Draw ($0.50/$1) (converter)

Hero ($37.50), Seat 5
BB ($25), Seat 6
UTG ($62.10), Seat 1
MP ($61.80), Seat 2
CO ($45.10), Seat 3
Button ($120.30), Seat 4

Hero posts $0.50. BB posts $1.

Hero is SB with [Qh Kh 4s Jh 9h]

Round 1: ($1.50)

<font color="#666666">UTG folds. </font><font color="red">MP raises $1 to $2. </font><font color="red">CO raises $2 to $4. </font><font color="#666666">Button folds. </font><font color="green">Hero calls. </font><font color="#666666">BB folds. </font><font color="#666666">MP folds. </font>
Hero discards 4s. CO takes 1.

Hero has [Qh Kh Jh 9h Th]

Round 2: ($11)

<font color="red">Hero bets $5. </font><font color="red">CO raises $15 to $20. </font><font color="red">Hero raises $13.50 to $33.50 (all-in). </font><font color="green">CO calls. </font>

Pot: ($78)


http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4...8flush2hu0.jpg

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

Is there a serious question here? Thinly veiled brag post?

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I Like to play them agressively if i have position.


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Why? I'm just curious why this hand specifically demands to be played aggressively in position then... say trips or an OESD a pair of Aces? This hand has FUN factor but its still not a great hand. You're still an underdog to most starting hands.


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Especially how would you have played after the draw ?


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fold it as a reverse bluff then show your cards? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


Not to say I never play draws aggressively. If it do its more likely at a table where people are folding a lot to predraw aggression. But I'm raising in those cases usually hoping to steal the dead money on the table. Not because I want to actually play the hand. I suspect if I make my hand I'm USUALLY not getting paid off enough to cover the implied odds... so I want to get in cheap and I want callers so that if I hit there are more people who might hit a second best hand that will pay me a PSB.

Am I totally off here?

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if they are limpin and calling raises, then we might want to value raise predraw if several limps.

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Right.

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no, you have to play them passive

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I strongly disagree with this. Limping draws turns your hand faceup. In a reasonably tight 6 handed game I think it's better to raise if you're going to play it.

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

agree your hand is kind of transparent when you only call pre. but thats good as well as bad. You can limp, then bluff, and it looks authentic.

its game dependant...i'm used to alot of lose calls post, and that makes me pessimistic of my chances on raising predraw/contibetting. Its great for when i hit the hand, but usually its a spew, and i lose showdown to TT44 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

maybe its jsut the game im in, but if the postdraw action will usually be there regardless, i'd prefer to get in cheap, and fold most misses (im still opportunistic, but i get those chances when i limp - it rep's better)

irregardless, can we agree that these SF hands are infrequent enough that it doesnt relly matter HOW you play them? Like you could fold every quads and it wouldnt make a lick of difference to your earnrate.

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

What does your opponent have? Your post does not seem to say and the screenshot does not seem to show.

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

The guy had AA55x and hit a 5 for a Five full of Aces; that's why he has raised post draw. He would have probably just called if not improved...

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irregardless, can we agree that these SF hands are infrequent enough that it doesnt relly matter HOW you play them? Like you could fold every quads and it wouldnt make a lick of difference to your earnrate.

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You're right of course... I'm happy to not have my full houses outdrawn by a SF too often

Re: L5cd: str8 flush draws
 

The way you played it a very good player could wriggle off the hook thinking it a high full house whereas if you play it passively like any flush draw you could break whoever because they would 'know' that you did not have high full house as you did not raise your 'two pair' and most likely have a made flush or straight and are overplaying it post flop. But this is really theoretical, and will make little difference to the bottom line.