2/4 i make a ridiculous fold
 

guy is 13/10/22.0 over 400 hands and has not gotten out of line or really done anything at all. He has 3bet me twice, and I've 3bet him like 3 times. Only one time we made it postflop and I missed my set and it went c/f.

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CO ($394)
Button ($874.75)
SB ($236)
BB ($811.30)
Hero ($770.40)
MP ($381.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $16, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($38) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $26</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $72</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $136

Re: 2/4 i make a ridiculous fold
 

this aint fullring

Re: 2/4 i make a ridiculous fold
 

Wow. Its nuts to think about folding this but I guess you probably are looking at a set a lot.

Does this guy repop AK? Does he slowplay big hands? Any other info?

I would probably call the flop and maybe fold to more aggression.

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meh, i think it's fine

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he plays raise/fold poker imo. so what hands just call preflop?

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The highest card on the flop is a king, which can make the 2nd highest ranking pair in the game. Hero has a pair of aces, which is the highest ranking pair in the game. There is a good chance here that hero has the highest possible pair. There is an even better chance that if that is the case, no other pairs can beat hero's pair.

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The highest card on the flop is a king, which can make the 2nd highest ranking pair in the game. Hero has a pair of aces, which is the highest ranking pair in the game. There is a good chance here that hero has the highest possible pair. There is an even better chance that if that is the case, no other pairs can beat hero's pair.

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There are these things called "3 of a kinds" or "sets", which unfortunately beat Hero's said "pair." Does not villains play seem to be extremely skewed toward having said "set?"

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meh, i think it's fine

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The highest card on the flop is a king, which can make the 2nd highest ranking pair in the game. Hero has a pair of aces, which is the highest ranking pair in the game. There is a good chance here that hero has the highest possible pair. There is an even better chance that if that is the case, no other pairs can beat hero's pair.

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Great reasoning.

I think this is one of those situations where you can't make a wrong choice cuz it's just too close. Whatever you did, nh.

Re: 2/4 i make a ridiculous fold
 

If I made this fold I wouldn't tell anybody

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don't like it

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I like it, he probably doesn't flat call AK.

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I do agree that it is very close in any case

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13/10/22 seems really weird. i suppose 400 hands is not enough for agg factor to be very realiable, correct? i was never a big PT user.

thus, the typical hand a dude like this calls here is a pocket pair, and his play on the flop is consistent with a set. i would be somewhat scared he is just a bad nit who can overplay TPTK (though we expect him to reraise AK preflop, its somewhat possible he'd call) i think its safe to fold.

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I'm turned on by nits. This hand arouses me like Micon does Brandi.

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judging by ur reads of villain i think u are right in making this fold... sumtimes u just gotta go with instincts that ur beat. with that being said there are very very very few players u should consider this for, and even against this guy i wouldn't make it a habit b/c he will then be able to exploit your weak play. but there is a very gud chance you are right this time.

Re: 2/4 i make a ridiculous fold
 

I like it in this situation. I couldn't see villain checking turn ever, so calling the flop is basically playing for stacks as turn and river bets will be big (3betting flop is of course out of the question though).

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how much are you open raising/c-betting?


i think folding here even vs most nits is very, very weak.

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The flop is so dry, he can't have 2 pairs here, so it's basically 33/77/KK or AK/KQ.

Good players generally don't check raise sets on such dry flops, cause you can't disguise your set as some sort of draw and since the flop is K high, you migh fold JJ/QQ to a check-raise...so, basically this is a pretty stupid move by him if he has a set- you only call here w your own set,AA or AK - i wonder what your image is, if your raising range consists of those hands only - i'd fold cause he puts you on a big hand and still does it, if you been raising a lot, i call flop for sure, if continues with the agression, i might not go broke here, but it depends...

In any case if you are playing loose, he might do it w a hand that you crush or even with air, cause he thinks there is a good chance you missed the flop and wants to steal the pot.

Re: 2/4 i make a ridiculous fold
 

over how many hands did the 3bets happen? and what is your image. I think if your image is at all aggro, which it probably is if you have 3-bet him 3 times (depending on length of current session together) i really hate a fold, obv pushing you might make him fold AK which is really bad but I almost never fold here.

Call

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The flop is so dry, he can't have 2 pairs here, so it's basically 33/77/KK or AK/KQ.

Good players generally don't check raise sets on such dry flops, cause you can't disguise your set as some sort of draw and since the flop is K high, you migh fold JJ/QQ to a check-raise...so, basically this is a pretty stupid move by him if he has a set- you only call here w your own set,AA or AK - i wonder what your image is, if your raising range consists of those hands only - i'd fold cause he puts you on a big hand and still does it, if you been raising a lot, i call flop for sure, if continues with the agression, i might not go broke here, but it depends...

In any case if you are playing loose, he might do it w a hand that you crush or even with air, cause he thinks there is a good chance you missed the flop and wants to steal the pot.

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he didn't check-raise.

Re: 2/4 i make a ridiculous fold
 

im never folding this, but it doesnt seem like ur playing very loose. eitehr way aces felt everytime here at 6max.

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his AF is 22 and your folding flop? hmph

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Atleast call him ONCE

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Call the raise and bet/fold turn for a little less than 1/2 pot.

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Given that the board is drawless, if his range here is {set, air} then the fact that you hold AA is basically irrelevant. You may as well have 86o.

Having said that I don't necessarily fold 86o here.

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im never folding this, but it doesnt seem like ur playing very loose. eitehr way aces felt everytime here at 6max.

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no

some of you people who are playing poker these days must be so stupid, do you guys not even think?

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im never folding this, but it doesnt seem like ur playing very loose. eitehr way aces felt everytime here at 6max.

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no

some of you people who are playing poker these days must be so stupid, do you guys not even think?

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ssshhhh

Re: 2/4 i make a ridiculous fold
 

i would call the flop and then c/f the turn. you'd be surprised how often you'll see AK/QQ type hands here. They definitely think there is a high chance they are good when they raise, but that range is still wide enough for you to take one off against...

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Atleast call him ONCE

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I'm pretty sure he's going to bet the turn

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Not if he can't beat AA.

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No way this is a fold on flop...if you play this weak your play can so easily be exploited. First of all what is your continuation bet frequency? If you continuation bet a high % of the time, then villian can easily be re-raising here with air to try to pick up the pot...if he isnt re-raising air then he can have somewhat of a problem hand like KQ, KJ and is tryin to find out where he is right now by raising, figuring that if you re-raise him back you have the "goods" and he will fold, and if you call he figures his re-raise will slow you down because you will "think" he has something stronger than he does.. So I would say considering this
Call &gt; re-raise .. since if you re-raise he will be able to play perfectly against you by knowing where he stands.

Now, in order to play turn correctly you have to know something about villian...is he the type to two-barrel with air, if not then i would check/fold turn...but if turn goes check/check...then i would probably value-bet river.

Re: 2/4 i make a ridiculous fold
 

this is fine.

however, i'd prolly call the flop. who knows, maybe the board will pair...

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Not if he can't beat AA.

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dude his aggr is off the charts

Re: 2/4 i make a ridiculous fold
 

Tokyo can you explain how is Agg factor is 22 (which is insane) and how you haven't seen him get out of line? Did you mistype or something? If his stats were just 13/10/unknown I'd say fold is good.

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if he's got a 22 agf and you are b/fing this flop, where is the value in betting?

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I call flop and play from there

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what is his PF agg factor? this is key. if we think he is calling just pairs, raising QQ+/AK, then this is a fold, if he might have AK then that changes things a lot.

however checking this flop might indeed be ideal.

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lol i love playing people like you.

anyway, this can SO EASILY be a missed pp. durrrrr?

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lol i love playing people like you.

anyway, this can SO EASILY be a missed pp. durrrrr?

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no you dont. its not like OP is a nit who is bet/folding this flop always. he's playing a very specific villain, so unless that villain is you, this has nothing to do with you.