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A stranger is being shown around a village that he has just become part of. He is shown a well and his guide says "On any day except Wednesday, you can shout any question down that well and you'll be told the answer" .

The man seems pretty impressed, and so he shouts down: Why not on Wednesday? and the voice from in the well shouts back: Because on Wednesday, it’s your day in the well .

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This should be fun. I sleep at weird hours so sorry if I disappear for some periods of time but otherwise I'm chained to my computer and 2+2. Ask me about anything but you might find poker questions most useful.

-DeathDonkey

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Alright, I'll get it started. What is your poker background? How much time do you spend in the micros these days?

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What are some favorite threads of yours?

What area are you from?

Now for the standard: [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

What is the least common good advice you read on the forums?
What is the most common bad advice you reads on the forums?

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What's your main game and what other games do you play in?
play live much? Where?

Favorite dealer's choice game?

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Alright, I'll get it started. What is your poker background? How much time do you spend in the micros these days?

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I was a product of the Rounders era of poker, before the Moneymaker era. Probably 5 years ago I started playing in the dorms during college and at the local indian casino, when I discovered I could play online and opened an account at UltimateBet. I played play chips and at that time they had weekly freerolls at 2:30 in the morning with real money prizes, so I'd stay up late and play in those hoping to make a big score. After a couple months I won one of those tournaments and had myself a $15 poker bankroll on UB. The thrill of winning that tournament is still one of the memories I'll never forget.

I began to play penny limit and NL holdem and around then discovered 2+2 and with the help of this micro forum, I moved up to 25c/50c and probably had a bit over a $100 bankroll. Then, one Sunday morning I played a $3 satellite on UB to their weekly $215 tournament (which was one of the biggest online at that time) and made it. I played the tournament later that afternoon and lucksacked my way to the final table! I took fourth for $4410 (I'll never forget that number), first prize was over 16k.

Suddenly I had more money in my UB account than I did in my bank account! I resolved that day to get serious about poker, started a Party poker account (hadn't earlier because 50c/1 was the smallest game they had) with an ambition to move to higher stakes. Playing lots of micro to small stakes limit holdem, and reading and posting in this forum and the Small Stakes forum during the golden age of SS in my opinion. bisonbison, chris daddy cool, evan, guyontilt, sfer, entity, and others I'm sure I'm forgetting were playing huge games online like 3/6 and I really thank them for inspiring me to get better and work hard and play a lot and try and reach those same levels.

And somehow I did it, I moved up levels, got better, read everything I could on 2+2 and talked to whoever would listen about poker, read all the books, and a bit over a year ago I quit grad school and decided to just play poker for awhile. My main game these days is probably 30/60 online and 100/200 at Commerce. I've played as high as 400/800 (both holdem and mixed games) and I'll play any limit game there is including made up ones because its fun to figure things out.

Unfortunately, I don't spend as much time in micros these days, in fact I rarely read the posts here or respond. That's a product of 2+2 getting so big, and me only having so much time and energy. I strongly believe in giving back to the forum that made me what I am in the poker world today, and I'm thrilled to see a few guys that I remember in this forum as sort of the "old hats" that are the definitive posters in this forum today. Maybe a few of them even remember me :P

-DeathDonkey

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What are some favorite threads of yours?

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I don't actually use that feature on 2+2 really, I guess I should. I sometimes remember old threads I loved and try and search for them and sometimes find them. There is a hugeeee thread from probably 2.5 years ago when there was a large organized 2+2 gathering in Vegas which I attended when I didn't know anybody and was a micro limit player scared to play the 4/8 game at the Bellagio. That thread is awesome and has some great stories from that very memorable trip.

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What area are you from?

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I grew up in Tucson, AZ, went to University of Arizona for undergrad (computer engineer by school) and now live in San Diego with my wife (of one month!).

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What is the least common good advice you read on the forums?
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Tough one...good advice: Figure out WHY you are making a certain play, WHY should I raise here? WHY should I fold? This is a hard thing to find examples of but its easy to get caught up in people making one liner responses that may very well be the best play but when you are just learning the game it doesn't matter what the best play is if you don't understand WHY you should make it and how to apply that information to new and different situations.

For worst advice I'll say "raise or fold" - I am more passive than many and don't mind checking and calling in certain situations. This is less relevant at the micro limits where you want to be more aggressive than most of your loose passive opponents, but when you move up or start encountering loose aggressive players, finding spots to check and call can make your life a lot easier.

-DeathDonkey

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What's your main game and what other games do you play in?
play live much? Where?

Favorite dealer's choice game?

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Answered this somewhat already, but I play at Commerce casino in LA frequently, I'd consider the 100/200 there my primary game.

Favorite dealer's choice game...recently I learned Badeucey which is a 5 card draw game with three drawing rounds (triple draw) where the pot is split between the best 2-7 triple draw lowball hand and the best 4 card badugi hand where the nut badugi is 2345 rainbow.

-DeathDonkey

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lets go to oceans.

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lets go to oceans.

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Sure, Friday's are best because they have 75/150 now!

-DeathDonkey

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wow, its good to see someone who started out in the micros making it to the big games. A few questions

Do you make your living out of poker?
When did you first realise that you were a winning player, and that you could make serious money.
I have been playing just over a month, and have learned a lot, but dont seem to be getting anywhere and am getting quite discouraged, even though i'm way better than i was a month ago . What advice would you give me, (i know a month is a very short time, but im expecting to see improvement)

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I feel like I don't use the b/f line enough. Can you summarize when b/f is the best play, especially on the river?

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Do you make your living out of poker?

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Yes.

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When did you first realise that you were a winning player, and that you could make serious money.

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I felt I was a winning player right away because I was a smart kid who played live with a bunch of old people at the local indian casino and I could see and had read in a book that playing bad starting hands is poor strategy. Being a winning player at higher stakes games is always tougher to judge, but to just be a +EV player only takes understanding why poker is different from a slot machine.

I remember very clearly when I realized I could make serious money at poker. 1.5 years ago I was working over the summer as an intern doing engineering work, and I made a few trips to Tampa, Florida for work. Every night I'd go to my hotel and play poker on my laptop and just about then I took my first shots at 5/10 6 max on Party poker (had played 3/6 full ring limit before that). At the end of my work trip I realized I had made more money running well in the 5/10 6m games those nights than I had getting paid for my daily work on the trip. Soon after that I was 4 tabling the 5/10 6m and taking shots at the 10/20 6m game and with rakeback I zoomed to an hourly far surpassing any job I could get in the "real world".

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I have been playing just over a month, and have learned a lot, but dont seem to be getting anywhere and am getting quite discouraged, even though i'm way better than i was a month ago . What advice would you give me, (i know a month is a very short time, but im expecting to see improvement)

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You expect to see improvement, and you claim you have "learned a lot", so that is the improvement. Poker is a very unique game in that your results have little bearing on your "improvement" and you have to find little ways to congratulate yourself or succeed. If you can be more specific I might be more helpful, are you not winning? not enough? One thing I suggest is playing another game besides limit holdem, just for fun. Play micro limit 7 card stud or something and try and figure out the strategy. For me, I've always felt the best about poker when I was having fun and the money followed.

-DeathDonkey

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I feel like I don't use the b/f line enough. Can you summarize when b/f is the best play, especially on the river?

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Bet/fold is very very very very very frequently the best play on the river! The reason for that is that it maximizes your value against the typical loose passive player who's range for calling your river bet is significantly larger than his range for betting it himself if you check to him. Also, these players do not have the creativity to bluff raise the river so you can be very sure a river raise represents an improved hand in some way. The only time it is not advisable is if you have a hand that you think is too good against a guy who might mistakenly value raise a worse hand (for instance you have two pair and the guy might make a worse two pair on the river and raise it for value). I can pretty confidently say bet/folding one pair on the river in most micro stakes games is usually the best play. This play is all about confidence by the way, uncertain players hate to take this line because they feel unsatisfied that they never get a result. They want to see the hand that beat them but you have to pay for this! When you are a confident winning player then you put them on the correct hand when they raise, congratulate yourself on saving 1 bb that a lesser player would throw away and move on to the next hand.

-DeathDonkey

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I am not winning, I had a bad downswing a couple of weeks ago(200+ BB, which seemed bad to me), part bad luck, part bad play, and i recovered a bit, but now go up and down, I would say that im not even a break even player atm, which cant be too hard at 0.50/1, and that is what is discouraging me.

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lets go to oceans.

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Sure, Friday's are best because they have 75/150 now!

-DeathDonkey

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let me pester joe into going this friday. ill get back to you.

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I am not winning, I had a bad downswing a couple of weeks ago(200+ BB, which seemed bad to me), part bad luck, part bad play, and i recovered a bit, but now go up and down, I would say that im not even a break even player atm, which cant be too hard at 0.50/1, and that is what is discouraging me.

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It's all a matter of perspective. 50c/1 is a big game to some people in this forum, I know because I remember when that was a scary game for me. It definitely is not surprising that you are not winning after just a month, though some players might learn and win that fast. Poker isn't about comparing yourself to anyone, just improving on your own and reaching new levels at whatever pace you are best able to.

200 bb at those stakes is definitely indicative of some mistakes, though, I wouldn't chalk that all up to bad luck. I would just tell you what I would say to anyone looking to get better, post and respond to hands in this forum, giving your opinion on how to play the hand and if fellow posters disagree with you, try and figure out who is correct and why, and if it is them, be humble enough to learn and not be stubborn (not saying you do any of this, but its just a common thing people have when coming to poker or poker forums, they are very successful at other things and think they have this figured out in a short period of time), I play some pretty big games and have been reading here for years and I still don't think I have it all figured out.

Good luck, get involved here,
DeathDonkey

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lets go to oceans.

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Sure, Friday's are best because they have 75/150 now!

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let me pester joe into going this friday. ill get back to you.

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This Friday I'm going to Disneyland with my wife, next week would be better. PM or AIM me anytime.

-DeathDonkey

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After a month?!?!?!
What kind of demands do you put on yourself? I lost 400 BB over 6 months before I finally figured out how to beat .25/.50 so prolly be I'm pretty dense.

ETA: I'm still make dense decisions but my PT numbers are green.

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How does your wife (of one month) feel about you playing poker for a living, both when you started dating and now that you're married [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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what is your first name?

what kind of car do you drive?

about a month ago, I was playing .50/1 at Stars. a player by the name of "DeathDonkey" sat down 2 seats to my right. Was that you? I gave a sup bro? but got no response.

What do you think of this whole Neteller fiasco? Do you think we will ever see our money?

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How long did it take to go from fish to pro?

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Coach me? (First I think.)

Advice for adjusting to live play? I've played high online, but I have very limited live experience, a day of 5/5 NL500 and a day of 15/30 FL. When I turn 21 in July, I'll probably be out in Vegas with no idea what I'm doing. Do you have any trouble adjusting to playing with "realer" money live? I was just as nervous playing NL500 with a bunch of donks as I was when I took a shot at 500/1000 on FTP.

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How does your wife (of one month) feel about you playing poker for a living, both when you started dating and now that you're married [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I'm extremely lucky. I've been dating her since before I ever played a hand of poker, and she's been there every step of the way. The great days and the awful ones, she's consoled me the first day I ever lost $100, $1000, and $10,000 and she is never upset by my losses though I am extremely hard on myself. In short, I tricked her into marrying me so I run good for life.

-DeathDonkey

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what is your first name?

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Chris.

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what kind of car do you drive?

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A 99 Honda Accord my mom gave me. I like cars in theory but not enough to spend money on.

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about a month ago, I was playing .50/1 at Stars. a player by the name of "DeathDonkey" sat down 2 seats to my right. Was that you? I gave a sup bro? but got no response.

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This was me for sure, as that was my original name on most sites. Sorry I must not have seen your chat. I'm 99% sure I was filming a video for a poker strategy site and 1% tilting off money in a safe game (you were there, if I was playing at all decent than 100% for the poker video site).

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What do you think of this whole Neteller fiasco? Do you think we will ever see our money?

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At first I thought it would blow over quickly, now I'm honestly a bit worried about it. From what I read in the legislation forum we will get our money, eventually. I have a lot tied up in there so I'm particularly concerned about this info. Stay tuned as I will be I guess.

-DeathDonkey

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How long did it take to go from fish to pro?

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I was only a fish for probably less than a month before I upgraded to mediocre. I would be a fish if I played in games I shouldn't but I think my game selection is for the most part excellent.

-DeathDonkey

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DD/Chris,

What do you like to do for fun, besides poker of course.

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Coach me? (First I think.)

Advice for adjusting to live play? I've played high online, but I have very limited live experience, a day of 5/5 NL500 and a day of 15/30 FL. When I turn 21 in July, I'll probably be out in Vegas with no idea what I'm doing. Do you have any trouble adjusting to playing with "realer" money live? I was just as nervous playing NL500 with a bunch of donks as I was when I took a shot at 500/1000 on FTP.

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Not sure when I'll be able to get into coaching stuff but I hope to in the future. I totally agree with you about live poker feeling more real money-wise. For me, its knowing those bills I used to have in my pocket are now gone (if I lose) and it is something I can see and feel unlike online where its just numbers. I went from online MMORPGs to poker so online poker has always been like a video game for me I'd say. Live poker is gambling.

Advice for live play...hmm...pay attention at the table! Don't allow yourself to get bored. There is so much to learn if you keep your eyes and ears open, people give everything away. You will be amazed at the clarity of your reads if you are able to do this and make laydowns you couldn't make online in a million years. Don't worry about your own physical tells or crap like that, always verbally say "raise" because you will grab the wrong number of chips and possibly string raise, never blame the dealer, be nice to people at the table even though they usually don't deserve it. Tip a buck when you win a pot that goes to the flop. That's all I can think of now, I'll play with you in Vegas sometime and fix you right up [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

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DD/Chris,

What do you like to do for fun, besides poker of course.

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This is actually something that bothers me a bit. In the last year since stopping going to school, I've been way too poker-centric. Recently I've been playing tennis with my brother or some friends once or twice a week, so that's a start, but I really need to do a better job of finding things to do besides poker. Not sure if this counts but making dinner and watching a movie with my wife is a lot of fun since we work on different schedules and don't get too much time awake together.

Also recently I've been trying to be more diligent with writing, as I really enjoy it. So I write when I can on my blog and have written a few poker articles that I posted on 2+2. Also have been doing some programming for my websites which keeps me doing something I learned in college so my degree isn't a total waste.

-DeathDonkey

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My main game these days is probably 30/60 online and 100/200 at Commerce. I've played as high as 400/800 (both holdem and mixed games)

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This brings up something I've wondered about. Is it possible to make a genuine long-term profit playing really high-stakes limit online?

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My main game these days is probably 30/60 online and 100/200 at Commerce. I've played as high as 400/800 (both holdem and mixed games)

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This brings up something I've wondered about. Is it possible to make a genuine long-term profit playing really high-stakes limit online?

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For the best players, absolutely, though the variance might make some sick. I should clarify that all my hands logged above 100/200 have been at live poker only, never played those scary big online games. I'm not entirely sure I'm answering the question you had in mind, if I didn't please rephrase.

-DeathDonkey

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My main game these days is probably 30/60 online and 100/200 at Commerce. I've played as high as 400/800 (both holdem and mixed games)

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This brings up something I've wondered about. Is it possible to make a genuine long-term profit playing really high-stakes limit online?

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For the best players, absolutely, though the variance might make some sick. I should clarify that all my hands logged above 100/200 have been at live poker only, never played those scary big online games. I'm not entirely sure I'm answering the question you had in mind, if I didn't please rephrase.

-DeathDonkey

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I think I read in Ed's blog that he believes that games are moving away from limit to NL (not sure if he was talking online or live, low-stakes or high-stakes). Thoughts on that?

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My main game these days is probably 30/60 online and 100/200 at Commerce. I've played as high as 400/800 (both holdem and mixed games) and I'll play any limit game there is including made up ones because its fun to figure things out.

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What is your approximate winrate at the Commerce 100/200? At 30/60 online?

How does the 100/200 Commerce game compare to online games? In other words, fill in the blank: If you could beat ....... online, then you should be able to beat the 100/200 game.

What were the hardest lessons (poker and life lessons) that you learned as you moved up in stakes?

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So I write when I can on my blog and have written a few poker articles that I posted on 2+2.

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Links to any of these?

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What do you feel is the biggest diff between 1/2-2/4, my current online game, and 5/10? 30/60?

I've played as high as 30/60 live and to me there was very little diference outside of aggression between that game and my normal 8/16 game. Did I just find some good games, or is 30/60 live just as horrible (pretty sure I alreadt know the answer)? The NorCal and Vegas games always seem juicy...

At what point/limit, do you think online games become glaringly more difficult to beat if any? Live?

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Chris,

In your experience, is there less variance live compared to online?

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who are your favorite posters?
what is your fav poker book, and which did you read the most times?
how many times did you move down(big)?
what makes you tilt and how do you deal with it?

cheers

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DD,

1. tell me everything you know (or at least all the important stuff) about table and seat selection. this part of my game has been totally neglected until now so i'm taking action.

2. Thank you so much for playing this hand against Josh. it really opened my eyes regarding thinking ahead and on another level during play.

bbbushu

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My main game these days is probably 30/60 online and 100/200 at Commerce. I've played as high as 400/800 (both holdem and mixed games)

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This brings up something I've wondered about. Is it possible to make a genuine long-term profit playing really high-stakes limit online?

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For the best players, absolutely, though the variance might make some sick. I should clarify that all my hands logged above 100/200 have been at live poker only, never played those scary big online games. I'm not entirely sure I'm answering the question you had in mind, if I didn't please rephrase.

-DeathDonkey

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I think I read in Ed's blog that he believes that games are moving away from limit to NL (not sure if he was talking online or live, low-stakes or high-stakes). Thoughts on that?

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I think its true in the short term but will come back towards limit eventually. I think mixed games are here to stay though and that's where I concentrate my efforts these days.

-DeathDonkey

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DD,

You mentioned congratulating yourself for poker lessons learned regardless of the money. Early in your learning, this is easy. Now, though, I'm having a harder time, since finding those lessons is harder. What was the last thing you complemented yourself for doing well on? How do you keep it up, now that many "advanced" poker concepts are routine?

Is poker still fun for you? How do you keep it fun when you're playing so much?

When was your last downswing of 200 BB or more? How have you trained yourself to keep playing, and keep playing your best, through it?

What's your favorite beer? Favorite hard liquor? Favorite mixed drink?

Do you have a favorite strategy post that you're particularly proud to have made? That is, a hand post of yours that generated particularly good discussion, or where you got to teach the bulk of the forum something new? Perhaps a theory/essay post you were proud of?

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My main game these days is probably 30/60 online and 100/200 at Commerce. I've played as high as 400/800 (both holdem and mixed games) and I'll play any limit game there is including made up ones because its fun to figure things out.

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What is your approximate winrate at the Commerce 100/200? At 30/60 online? <font color="blue"> I would have to do some math with my Excel chart that I use to track live play. I believe I am at least a $250 an hour favorite in a generic Commerce 100/200 game. 30/60 online I'd guess 1 bb/100 in the current games but I am beating 30/60 online games for 4 bb/100 over 50k hands in PT - I game select goood. </font>

How does the 100/200 Commerce game compare to online games? In other words, fill in the blank: If you could beat ....... online, then you should be able to beat the 100/200 game.

<font color="blue"> This is a tough one because the game is so unique. It can sometimes be very tough, at least as tough as an online full ring 30/60 game. Sometimes it can be great, but very aggressive and still somewhat dangerous, more like a loose aggressive 10/20 6max game.</font>

What were the hardest lessons (poker and life lessons) that you learned as you moved up in stakes? <font color="blue"> My psychological and actual bankrolls are not the same. At high stakes or shorthanded the player who is tilting the most is the fish. Trying to get even is stupid (still working on this). I'm sure there are more.</font>

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So I write when I can on my blog and have written a few poker articles that I posted on 2+2.

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Links to any of these?

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My blog is www.deathdonkey.com and the articles are at http://www.deucescracked.com/Strateg...er_Poker_Games

-DeathDonkey

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What do you feel is the biggest diff between 1/2-2/4, my current online game, and 5/10? 30/60?

<font color="blue"> Aggression and second level thinking. At low stakes when you miss a flop and your opponent misses the flop, you will win if you were the last aggressor. At higher stakes, you will have to fight for that pot. Your opponent is thinking you missed it too and you have to beat him by using his over-optimism against him. The ways to do this are not nearly as clear as the ways to beat a "fit or fold" player.</font>

I've played as high as 30/60 live and to me there was very little diference outside of aggression between that game and my normal 8/16 game. Did I just find some good games, or is 30/60 live just as horrible (pretty sure I alreadt know the answer)? The NorCal and Vegas games always seem juicy...

<font color="blue"> Sounds about right but you are understating the aggression IMO. I would venture a guess that you ran well in the 30/60 game you played and so the aggression didn't bother you so much because you always had a hand. When you don't have a hand the aggression ranges from annoying to very dangerous. </font>

At what point/limit, do you think online games become glaringly more difficult to beat if any? Live?

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Online games are way more difficult at micro and small stakes than equivalent live games. I mean a 4/8 game at the Bellagio plays like a 10c/20c game online probably. The high high stakes games live are difficult because there are no equivalents online, but I'd say at 100/200 and above the games are fairly equivalent.

-DeathDonkey