NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

And feel free to comment on the other streets aswell

Full Tilt Poker
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
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<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
UTG: $23.60
MP: $17.55
CO: $32.40
Hero (BTN): $55.25
SB: $24.3
BB: $25.7

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($0.35, 6 players)
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $0.85</font>, Hero calls $0.85, SB folds, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2.05, 2 players)
<font color="red">CO bets $1.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, CO calls $1.75

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] ($9.05, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">River:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($9.05, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $12</font>, Hero calls $8

Re: NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

I call river. I don't see many hands you beat calling a raise here, and I'm not even that sure you're ahead (Villain could have a better 9, 66, AA).

Why minraise the flop with this mediocre hand? Did you have a specific read indicating that play? Usually I'd either 1) fold or 2) call with the intention of betting the turn if CO checks, but folding most turns if he makes another serious bet.

Re: NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

Call. The only hands that he calls a raise with that you beat are 98 or T9. Everything else he's either mucking if you reraise, or he's calling and you're losing to a boat or a better kicker

Re: NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

No matter what I think of the line it sure all worked out well, didn't it! getting a free card and rivering trips and all.

I'm not going to tell you to fold preflop.

Flop play is sexy! Me like!

Turn, standard. River too.

NH.

Re: NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

edit - ignore me I misunderstood

Re: NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

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Call. The only hands that he calls a raise with that you beat are 98 or T9. Everything else he's either mucking if you reraise, or he's calling and you're losing to a boat or a better kicker

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??????

AK checking the turn for pot control and AQ AJ and AT not knowing where he is after being raised on the flop, then picking off the missed FD on the end that is making a bluff?

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the only reason for Ak to raise the river is to induce a rebluff from a missed draw and then call it. This is about 12 times more thinking than happened in this hand though.

call the river.

Re: NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

I don't usually pick an A high flushy flop to make an informational minraise w/ MP- a call does not mean he has an Ace.

Usually I'd float and see what he did on the turn.

I think your line is OK.

I'd probably just call here on the river.

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AK checking the turn for pot control and AQ AJ and AT not knowing where he is after being raised on the flop, then picking off the missed FD on the end that is making a bluff?

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The thing is, OP already took a stab with his "busted draw" and got checkraised. Now he pushes. Is an A still going to pay off? Maybe if OP has the right table image, but I think that's an important prerequisite.

Re: NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

Oh yeah.. Usually I never minraise. But I felt this player was very easy to push of hands. I know it's bad, and I hated my self for doing it.

But atleast we agree about the river. Villian had QQ.

What if I had K kicker? Should I push?

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Wow a lot of replies, but my post was a response to the first poster in here.

Re: NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

I think raise river is fine. But you might fold the flop cause this isn't a kind of a flop you want with that hand. It is double suited (not your suit) and an ace on the flop. Since you played it that way, I would raise river without thinking twice. It is very likely he has an ace here and you want to get paid.

Raising flop is not fine. You might want to call and then float or just check behind cause you might have the best hand. Villain wouldn't fire two bullets if he doesn't have an ace.

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I think raise river is fine. But you might fold the flop cause this isn't a kind of a flop you want with that hand. It is double suited (not your suit) and an ace on the flop. Since you played it that way, I would raise river without thinking twice. It is very likely he has an ace here and you want to get paid.

Raising flop is not fine. You might want to call and then float or just check behind cause you might have the best hand. Villain wouldn't fire two bullets if he doesn't have an ace.

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About the minraise, I kinda saw that as floating when he just called, is that totally wrong?

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What if I had K kicker? Should I push?

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With K kicker I'd start liking a push more, at least if this is the kind of player who steals blinds (which would make worse 9's more likely). On the other hand, you've also said this player is easy to push off hands... if it's at all likely that he folds a worse 9 to a push, then I like calling better again.

Re: NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

Flop min raise is disgusting.

River just calls for a call. I think he has a higher 9.

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But atleast we agree about the river. Villian had QQ.

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Re: NL25, call or raise @ river?
 

i understand ur pre flop call here. The CO could be raising with absolutely anything here. And J9s is a nice hand to have in position especially if the blinds tag along creating a juicy multiway pot. As for your min raise on the flop...fair enough your opponents bet does look like a standard continuation bet here but still why raise? If this guy did raise with a genuine hand AK, AQ AJ, then he aint goin nowhere. Your not going to get any better hands to fold, nor any weaker ones to call. Just call and see what the turn brings, your oppenent may check and then u can take it away with a bet. Your opponents call indicates that he may have a weak ace or middle/bottom pair. He will (or at least should) fold these type of hands to a decent sized bet on the turn. So y not give it a stab once he checks it to you? You HAVE to bet this, slightly less than the pot should do it. If he calls u can be pretty sure he has a weak ace, or possibly a flush draw. But for some unknown reason u check (???????). Checking just allows ur opponent to steal it on the river. U get lucky and hit trips. he checks to u. You have to bet this, even if u had missed u still have to bet (Betting around the same ammount if u missed as u would once u hit keeps u unpredictable) Betting half the pot is not enough for me. I want to bet around 2 thirds of the pot, make it look like a bluff. When raised, i would just call. Its very possible he was slow playing a set. Although i am still 80% sure i have him beat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]