50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

Original raiser is pretty donkish/aggressive and short so I call in position. 3 bettor is 31/7.5/1.6 over 500. I've never seen him 3bet light, I think his range is QQ+ AK and maybe JJ and TT. We're deep, his range is small, he goes too far with overpairs/TPTK, and his 3 bet is too small so I call.


No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $99.50
UTG+1: $24.31
CO: $41.55
Hero: $115.58
SB: $176.89
BB: $101.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $2.5</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $7.5</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($17.75, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15</font>, BB calls.

<font color="blue"> This is a really good flop for me as I think he rarely holds JJ here and usually has an overpair. I bet just shy of the pot expecting a call from his overpair and a fold from AK. </font>

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($47.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

<font color="blue"> I check behind because I don't think he calls QQ here and the only parts of his range I'm beating now are AK and AA. Maybe I can get more value from those hands on the river? </font>

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($47.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $59.5</font>, Hero ?

<font color="blue"> Uh oh. He's overbetting the pot. I can't remember if he's done this before so I'm not sure what to think of it. Do you think this is QQ AA or AK often enough to call here? </font>

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

often enough to call???

[censored] calling. shove!!!!!!!!!!! if he has JJ so be it.

he probably never holds 22. and he probably pays off with KJ and AA

and i feel his range is wider then you think

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

He never has 22 or KJ here. He has QQ+ AK 95% of the time and 5% of the time JJ.

I don't think shoving is an option since I doubt he calls with anything I beat except AA.

Edit: The only other hand he has ever 3bet in 500 hands is AQo in a blind battle where the SB minraised him.

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

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Original raiser is pretty donkish/aggressive and short so I call in position. 3 bettor is 31/7.5/1.6 over 500. I've never seen him 3bet light, I think his range is QQ+ AK and maybe JJ and TT. We're deep, his range is small, he goes too far with overpairs/TPTK, and his 3 bet is too small so I call.


No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $99.50
UTG+1: $24.31
CO: $41.55
Hero: $115.58
SB: $176.89
BB: $101.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $2.5</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $7.5</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($17.75, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15</font>, BB calls.

<font color="blue"> This is a really good flop for me as I think he rarely holds JJ here and usually has an overpair. I bet just shy of the pot expecting a call from his overpair and a fold from AK. </font>

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($47.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

<font color="blue"> I check behind because I don't think he calls QQ here and the only parts of his range I'm beating now are AK and AA. Maybe I can get more value from those hands on the river? </font>

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($47.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $59.5</font>, Hero ?

<font color="blue"> Uh oh. He's overbetting the pot. I can't remember if he's done this before so I'm not sure what to think of it. Do you think this is QQ AA or AK often enough to call here? </font>

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calls good. I bet turn though.

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

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calls good. I bet turn though.

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You mind explaining why? I can't see him calling QQ here so really we're only getting value from AK and AA. If you do bet the turn what do you do if you're checkraised?

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

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calls good. I bet turn though.

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You mind explaining why? I can't see him calling QQ here so really we're only getting value from AK and AA. If you do bet the turn what do you do if you're checkraised?

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QQ peels here again. if hes putting you on a jack on the flop then its likely hes still ahead.

i guess a call isnt that bad but it leaves so much money on the table. he could def call down with AK.

FWIW i still shove the river

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

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calls good. I bet turn though.

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You mind explaining why? If you do bet the turn what do you do if you're checkraised?

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So you don't have such a difficult decision on the river. Push.

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

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calls good. I bet turn though.

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You mind explaining why? I can't see him calling QQ here so really we're only getting value from AK and AA. If you do bet the turn what do you do if you're checkraised?

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AK and AA have more variants than the rest of his range that beats u . if c/r than i'm all in.

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

no just keep betting on turn!! and go all in on the river. No reason to be scared here especially at 50nl. You should fold preflop if you are going to be this passive on turn and river.

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

With the way villain played this hand it looks exactly like JJ or AK. When he 3-bets pf then c/c that flop he either hit top set with JJ and decided to slowplay, or he 3-bet AK and decided not to c-bet but to peel a card(a strange combination and play on this dry of a flop). I guess he could also not c-bet AA because the flop is so dry but that also seems like a stretch.

I think you are posting this hand because villain had JJJ. I think you played it fine by the way. If villain did have AK/AA then take a note and adjust future value bets accordingly. If I was playing the hand I would probably end up all in on the turn but I wouldn't feel good about it with the pf 3-bet and flop check. So i think you played this perfectly. Plus if you just call you are still making more than a buy-in.

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

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I guess he could also not c-bet AA because the flop is so dry but that also seems like a stretch.

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He's kind of passive and tricky. This is the only other hand he has 3bet.


No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $64.96
CO: $23.90
Button: $48.90
SB: $17.67
BB: $138.91

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero folds, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $1</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $3</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($6, 2 players)
SB checks, BB checks.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $2</font>, BB calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($10, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $4.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $12.67</font>, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $35.34
<font color="#ffffff">SB Shows 4c 4d</font>

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

Now that I've given this hand a little more thought, a river call is mandatory given how it played out, but I'm still not sure that bet bet bet with no intention of folding to a raise is the best line when you consider his range preflop, the unlikelihood of him floating AK on the flop, and the unlikelihood that QQ calls another bet on the turn.

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AK and AA have more variants than the rest of his range that beats u

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AK has to be severely discounted since I don't think he's floating it for such a large bet on the flop.

Edit: My image at the time is also very tight since the last 3-5 orbits I don't think I've really played a hand because I changed gears after stacking the guy to this Villain's left with 53s raised from the CO and he was trying to take shots at me.

I don't think this is AA/AK and the remote possibility he's calling down QQ so much more often than KK or JJ that this becomes ZOMG bet bet bet bet bet foolio like so many of you are saying.

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

Results?

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

I'd like to get some more thoughts now that I've posted a previous 3bet hand that he played oddly as well as elaborated on my current image, but I guess I can give results now too.

He had KK

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

I would definitely at least call here. You said yourself that this guy overplays TPTK and overpairs. He is probably just overplaying them right now. He might have a bigger set but chances are very small and I don't see how you can fold set of 6s in this situation.

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

I didn't mean to imply that he overplays TPTK and overpairs just that he goes too far with them.

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

ok but still, I would have to say it's a mandatory call since you called preflop with 66 and you can't really hope for a better board

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

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Original raiser is pretty donkish/aggressive and short so I call in position. 3 bettor is 31/7.5/1.6 over 500. I've never seen him 3bet light, I think his range is QQ+ AK and maybe JJ and TT. We're deep, his range is small, he goes too far with overpairs/TPTK, and his 3 bet is too small so I call.


No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $99.50
UTG+1: $24.31
CO: $41.55
Hero: $115.58
SB: $176.89
BB: $101.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $2.5</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $7.5</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($17.75, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15</font>, BB calls.

<font color="blue"> This is a really good flop for me as I think he rarely holds JJ here and usually has an overpair. I bet just shy of the pot expecting a call from his overpair and a fold from AK. </font>

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($47.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

<font color="blue"> I check behind because I don't think he calls QQ here and the only parts of his range I'm beating now are AK and AA. Maybe I can get more value from those hands on the river? </font>

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($47.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $59.5</font>, Hero ?

<font color="blue"> Uh oh. He's overbetting the pot. I can't remember if he's done this before so I'm not sure what to think of it. Do you think this is QQ AA or AK often enough to call here? </font>

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Fold, and then go back to STTF. If you are intent on learning poker, and can't get pasterbator to stake you (lol you begger) then try out $5 NL.

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no just keep betting on turn!! and go all in on the river. No reason to be scared here especially at 50nl. You should fold preflop if you are going to be this passive on turn and river.

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Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

1) Why be such a douche?
2) Why would you think I'm not looking to learn poker?
3) Why is trying to take someone up on a great offer begging? I have my own roll and I play within it. That offer would have allowed me to move up faster and learn faster.

How about you stop hiding behind your gimmick account and stop being an asshat who comes on these forums to berate those of us trying to learn?

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

I think you have to call river. This is the reason you cannot raise:

Board: 2h 6d Jc Ks 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 6 0.00 { 6h6s }
Hand 1: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 6 0.00 { KK+, JJ }

I Think the turn check is also good, as you're only getting 1 more street of value at most vs QQ, and I'm not too sure I want to play for stacks on the turn

Re: 50nl: 66 deep stacked
 

Call river. This hand is well played on all streets and your reasoning behind each decision is solid.

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I check behind because I don't think he calls QQ here

[/ QUOTE ] If you were the villain, would you fold QQ to a bet on the turn? I mean, look at your betting pattern. It doesn't look at all like AK or KQ. Not in any way, that I can tell. KQ is folding preflop, and AK is reraising to put the short stack all in and keep everybody else away. Plus, I don't think AK or KQ would be so anxious to bet the flop when the villain has shown such strength preflop and the hero has been passive.

So why is the turn card a scare card for the villain when he has QQ? I just don't see it.

Bet the turn. Take the rest of his money on the river. Well, give him the rest of your money on the river.

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Original raiser is pretty donkish/aggressive and short so I call in position.

[/ QUOTE ] You barely have the odds to call this preflop, I think, and that's assuming that you stack the villian everytime you hit your six. You state "short" as if that's a good thing, but it's not, of course.