400nl - LOL fold AK preflop?
 

28/22 opens UTG with $480 behind to $14
30/25 UTG+1 with $400 makes it $48
70/50 on button with $350 cold calls

I have AKo in the SB and cover all.

I.......

Re: 400nl - LOL fold AK preflop?
 

fold

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mason u r terrible

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[censored] no

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28/22 utg open does not mean KK+
30/25 3bet does not mean KK+
70/50 cold call does not mean KK+

which means you jam, dude.

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push

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well this COULD be a fold if you've never EVER seen a 3bet from whatshisface over 6 zillion hands but that's about it.

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shove it, or make a standard 4 bet. if you guys have history and they know you would only shove AK while 4 betting AA,KK id 4 bet

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shove it, or make a standard 4 bet. if you guys have history and they know you would only shove AK while 4 betting AA,KK id 4 bet

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u 4-bet to 200, they all call, flop comes Jd9d8s

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ok

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lol plz don't 4bet with a 70/50 to act. you're first to play after the flop, i'd hate to be in that situation.

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I dont see why its a problem, the other 2 guys arent going to call cold a 4 bet unless they have aces/kings and if the only cold caller is the 70/50 his stack will be like 1/2 pot so its not like we have a difficult decision.

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lol plz don't 4bet with a 70/50 to act. you're first to play after the flop, i'd hate to be in that situation.

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i hope you mean dont 4bet an amount < shove

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I think a non push 4 bet is awful here btw.

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shove it, or make a standard 4 bet. if you guys have history and they know you would only shove AK while 4 betting AA,KK id 4 bet

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We have no history

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I tend to 4-bet all-in alot with AK but i'm concerned that against thinking players my hand will become transparent, cos if i'm being honest there's not a big range of hands i will play this way.

So what range of hands is it correct to 4-bet AI preflop, rather than a standard 4-bet? (assume that it's against standard opponents i.e not mega fish just standard run of the mill fish and/or regulars, and you were the original raiser and were 3-bet by the button/blinds.) I guess we're more likely to push from blinds than in position? I know we have to mix it up abit i.e 4-bet AI with KK now and again for deception, but in general what frequencies should we be looking for?

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I still say its a fold, even though I didn't see buttons cold call. But ya, I definately definately think its a fold. And a non-push 4 bet is really bad.

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Make the hand easy and shove or fold. But shove if you like money.

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my feeling is this is really close, fold to avoid varience and possibly lose out on a very small amount of +EV. if you continue definitely push.

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lol plz don't 4bet with a 70/50 to act. you're first to play after the flop, i'd hate to be in that situation.

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i hope you mean dont 4bet an amount < shove

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nope.....

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I don't see how shoving is profitable here. I think we should give UTG+1 some credit for his raise. Yeah he does raise 25% of his hands preflop, but 30/25 means he has at least some idea of what's going on at the table, so when he raises an UTG raise, I think he's got something. He's not just trying to catch the 28/22 raising some trash in late position. He knows UTG has something pretty good, and he is still reraising. I'd say his range TT-AA, AK and AQ.

He probably folds everything but AA and KK, maybe QQ and AK. So most of the time that he calls, we are behind, and some of the times we are even with him. If he does call, we're losing a lot of money in the long run.

Assuming UTG+1 does have 99-JJ or AQ and folds, UTG could still have aces or kings, and he isn't calling with anything else.

If we are lucky, and neither UTG or UTG+1 had a monster, then we're sitting pretty against the button, but I think that the two other players hold aces or kings too often for a push to be profitable. Too often we'll be in a three way pot and one of the EP players scoops up button's money along with ours.

I think calling is pretty bad here, but that's probably what I do most of the time, hoping to hit a pair and make some money from the button. If I'm playing good though, I fold this.

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GoCubsGo -

That might be the worst analysis i've ever read. No offense....

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Close enough to push for image

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Close either way but I like a fold. Sticky situation. Please don't make a standard 4 bet, if you decide to play, just shove.

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This seems like a very standard push i dont see what all the fuss is about

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my feeling is this is really close, fold to avoid varience and possibly lose out on a very small amount of +EV. if you continue definitely push.

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somewhat agree with this. it might not even be +EV.

if they are this loose there is a good chance they are calling a push with a hand that beats you or a smaller pair (and less likely with AQ- for 100bb).

calling is definately not a horrible option either as it will likely suck them in 3 way and you have ak which dominates a lot of the hands they call with.

if you push you need 3-bettors range to be worse than AK and for them to fold a small pair once in a while.


actually, id probably call, utg raiser has 480 and wouldnt be so great to push as you only get called by better USUALLY.

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calling is really bad since you won't get paid off when you hit generally speaking and you definately will have to pay off if you hit and are still behind, which is very possible in a 3 way reraised pot.

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Personally, I muck. Could be a stupid play but I only have my small blind invested and have no problem escaping the hand with that very minor loss. If you play the hand you are obviously looking for a dream flop like A-4-8.

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Shove it

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I don't know what's so bad about my analysis. UTG+1 has aces or kings all the time here, and pushing AK is just spewing.

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I don't know what's so bad about my analysis. UTG+1 has aces or kings all the time here, and pushing AK is just spewing.

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Thank God for people like you.

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no shame in folding here. but pushing isnt so bad. but id fold.

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This would be a real great spot for someone to own this thread by assigning some ranges and calling ranges and calculate the EQ of pushing. That someone won't be me though.

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unless utg+1 is reraising light alot, i fold this really quick.
change it to CO open button reraise sb cold-call and its an easy push

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This would be a real great spot for someone to own this thread by assigning some ranges and calling ranges and calculate the EQ of pushing. That someone won't be me though.

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That's the reason I posted this. I hoped someone would step up to the plate. Come one! There's gotta be some new poster out there who's looking for some 2p2 cred.

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Only thing id be worried about here is being deep enough that if i push and lose that I couldnt reload to cover the fishy. This isnt the case. Shovesky.

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This would be a real great spot for someone to own this thread by assigning some ranges and calling ranges and calculate the EQ of pushing. That someone won't be me though.

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That's the reason I posted this. I hoped someone would step up to the plate. Come one! There's gotta be some new poster out there who's looking for some 2p2 cred.

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There surely is, it just ain't me.

I fold here too, I do think it's close however can't give any logical explanation why....