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Just read the FAQ and read something that surprised me. It called it a "slowroll" if you wait to show what you think is the winning hand on the river, and thus a breach of etiquette. Well first of all that's not what I call a slowroll - I think if it as thinking awhile before calling a river bet with the stone cold nuts. Or messing around with showing your hand when it's your turn to show.

But if you always show your cards first just because you might have the best hand, then how the heck do you ever get to see the other guy's cards? I thought you simply went by Robert's rules of poker. The last guy to make a move (bet or raise) was the first guy to show. If he's bluffing me, I want to see what he's bluffing me with. That's just the way poker is played. What's the scoop?

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The slow roll that is worth a punch in the nuts is when you have the winning hand but make the other guy think his hand is good by not showing it quickly or announcing it. It doesn't have much to do with showing hands out of turn, it is all about getting the other guy excited that he won the hand then being a penii about showing the winner.

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See 100-post thread sometime in the last 3 weeks.

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You will know if you get slow rolled. Some players will bet the river then wait until all the others have shown and then turn over a monster. It gives them great pleasure. Waiting your turn to show is never slow rolling. If you called a bet, you can wait until the better shows.

Don't wait to turn over a monster, it is bad manners.

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3 - If you suspect you have the winning hand at show-down then go ahead and show it. To 'stall' is called slow-rolling and is considered exceptionally bad form.


Terrible definition of "slow rolling". kerowo's definition of is correct. Waiting your turn to show with what "might" be the winner is not slow rolling, although turning it over out of turn will speed up the game.

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If I bet on the river, and get called, I show my hand instantly 100% of the time, automucking is -EV I think. If it is a bluff, my opponent may missread his hand and muck himself, and if I have the winner as I suspected, what am I gaining by knowing his exact two cards, other than I was betting the best hand as I suspected.

If it checks around the river, and I know I have the best hand, I show it. If I think I do, I usually verbally announce my hand outloud, like ace high, or pair of 5s, and if no one turns their hand over in the next 5 seconds (usually enough time for a better hand to show up), I will turn my cards face up, and usually get the pot about 80% of the time.

If I call a bet on the river heads up, I will make the bettor show his hand first, all the time. If I am playing a very multi-way pot (atleast 4 people left on the river) and I am exactly next to act after the bettor, I will likely call with nut hands, hoping to not chase away people who will overcall by raising, and then instantly flip over my hand, since I know it is good.

So basically, I only wait if I make some sort of crying call, or it is heads up and I am the caller.

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I think it is funny watching guys to flip over their cards. Nobody wants to show first. Hell, I always show right away. Dont bother me none

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Slowrolling is like when you bet and you are called, show your hand, he nods as you reach for the pot, then he flips over a better hand with a smug look on his face. This is a breach of etiquette and I would not blame someone for punching someone else in the face for it.

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Since we are talking about a slow-roll, if someone with the nuts asks you for your chip count when you moved all-in, is that a slow-roll? Seems to me it is, they have the nuts for crying out loud!

Happened to me at a small home game so I chalked it up to the guy being a newbie and did not want to complain. After all, I was the dumb-a** that moved in on a semi-bluff [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I see this a lot. Some guy bets on the river and gets 2 or 3 callers. Then he just sits there waiting for them to show first. Half the time they have the nuts and the other half of the time they have air. It seems to be some type of game they play.

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Since we are talking about a slow-roll, if someone with the nuts asks you for your chip count when you moved all-in, is that a slow-roll? Seems to me it is, they have the nuts for crying out loud!

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I'm assuming this was on the river, and or there were no possible draws to beat his hand. In that case, the only reason to ask for a count is if this was a tourney and there was some reason why he might want to keep you in the game (advanced bubble play, you are really bad, etc).

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Just read the FAQ and read something that surprised me. It called it a "slowroll" if you wait to show what you think is the winning hand on the river, and thus a breach of etiquette. Well first of all that's not what I call a slowroll - I think if it as thinking awhile before calling a river bet with the stone cold nuts. Or messing around with showing your hand when it's your turn to show.

But if you always show your cards first just because you might have the best hand, then how the heck do you ever get to see the other guy's cards? I thought you simply went by Robert's rules of poker. The last guy to make a move (bet or raise) was the first guy to show. If he's bluffing me, I want to see what he's bluffing me with. That's just the way poker is played. What's the scoop?

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If you just call the opponents bet and/or check behind, then you are probably pretty unsure as to whether you have the best hand at show down.

The only case that I can think of where it would be the opponents turn to show first AND you are sure you have the best hand would be if you went for a check-raise on the river and the house is using the last aggressor rule for showdown order. This should not come up very often so you are not losing much info if you show first when you have a monster in this situation.

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I'm assuming this was on the river, and or there were no possible draws to beat his hand. In that case, the only reason to ask for a count is if this was a tourney and there was some reason why he might want to keep you in the game (advanced bubble play, you are really bad, etc).

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That seems like a good strategy... you should write a book.

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I'm assuming this was on the river, and or there were no possible draws to beat his hand. In that case, the only reason to ask for a count is if this was a tourney and there was some reason why he might want to keep you in the game (advanced bubble play, you are really bad, etc).

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That seems like a good strategy... you should write a book.

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Now that sounds like a back-handed compliment [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img].

My normal line is "do you give lessons?" Of course, I usually reserve that for cases where someone is berating a fish's play. Not the case here since AFAIK the OP that I was responding to is not a fish.

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a slowroll - I think if it as thinking awhile before calling a river bet with the stone cold nuts.

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if someone with the nuts asks you for your chip count when you moved all-in, is that a slow-roll? Seems to me it is,

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Thees are not slowrolls. The key word here is roll, as in rolling your hand over.

A slowroll is when someone shows a hand and you look disappointed, maybe even say nice hand, then roll over the winner.

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a slowroll - I think if it as thinking awhile before calling a river bet with the stone cold nuts.

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if someone with the nuts asks you for your chip count when you moved all-in, is that a slow-roll? Seems to me it is,

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Thees are not slowrolls. The key word here is roll, as in rolling your hand over.

A slowroll is when someone shows a hand and you look disappointed, maybe even say nice hand, then roll over the winner.

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Yeah the other day I was HU in a huge pot, led the river got called. I say 2 pair as I flip up my hand he nods his head with a "that's good" look, waits 10 seconds and flips over the nut flush.

NOW THAT'S A [censored] SLOWROLL

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Yeah, tourny, certainly not an advanced play by this guy. Turn raise of his donk bet into a 3 flush board. I did not put him on the flush. Nothing on the board to be afraid of. I just did not like it since it gave me false hope that he 1-did not have the nut, 2-I had some fold equity and it looked as if it might work.

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a slowroll - I think if it as thinking awhile before calling a river bet with the stone cold nuts.

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if someone with the nuts asks you for your chip count when you moved all-in, is that a slow-roll? Seems to me it is,

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Thees are not slowrolls. The key word here is roll, as in rolling your hand over.

A slowroll is when someone shows a hand and you look disappointed, maybe even say nice hand, then roll over the winner.

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These are related to slow rolls but probably deserve their own name. Not sure what that name might be. The classic slow roll is as stated...at the showdown, being slow to roll your cards over. These other things are dickish in that they are pointless and serve only to give hope to someone with no chance of winning, and that's basically what the classic slow roll does.

Now I've also seen people get hot under the collar when someone spent a few seconds thinking about calling a large bet with less than the nuts. That's not the same thing...whether it's a nut flush facing a possible 2-card straightflush or a full-house fearing quads, you get to think it through before you call.

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FAQ:

3 - If you suspect you have the winning hand at show-down then go ahead and show it. To 'stall' is called slow-rolling and is considered exceptionally bad form.


Terrible definition of "slow rolling". kerowo's definition of is correct. Waiting your turn to show with what "might" be the winner is not slow rolling, although turning it over out of turn will speed up the game.

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It depends on what limit you are playing. At small games just turn up the cards, the info you can gain or lose just isn't worth holding up the game if you ahve the likely winner.

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calling a river bet with the stone cold nuts

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Raise with the nuts.

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I see this a lot. Some guy bets on the river and gets 2 or 3 callers. Then he just sits there waiting for them to show first. It seems to be some type of game they play.

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If the last bettor or raiser stalls, why doesn't the dealer or some other player(s) pipe up and ask them to show. People will probably get the idea after they've been asked a few times.

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a slowroll - I think if it as thinking awhile before calling a river bet with the stone cold nuts.

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if someone with the nuts asks you for your chip count when you moved all-in, is that a slow-roll? Seems to me it is,

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Thees are not slowrolls. The key word here is roll, as in rolling your hand over.

A slowroll is when someone shows a hand and you look disappointed, maybe even say nice hand, then roll over the winner.

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Although you cite the more "traditional" definition, I kind of think these ARE slow rolls. A friend of mine was in a tournament. Limped around 8 way action, and he checks the BB with 3s6s. Flop is As Js Ts. He decides to move in, and it gets foldedd around to the absolute last player with cards. This player asks for a chip count. Then he separates out the call from the rest of his stack, eyeballs the remainder of his chips, thinks, looks at my friend, looks back at his stack, and says, "OK, I call." They flip their hands, and this guy shows KsQs for a flopped royal.

Although it doesn't fit your traditional defintion, this still feels like a slow-roll to me!

--Headhunter

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Although it doesn't fit your traditional defintion, this still feels like a slow-roll to me!

--Headhunter

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I'll agree with you there.

But some people don't realize they can't be beat.
Last night, 4 players at the river, a bet a 2 callers,
last to act thinks for a few then finally smooth calls.
Then rolls over the nuts. When asked why he didn't raise
he said "I was afraid of the flush".