Professional No Limit Hold\'em: Volume 1
 

Ed made a lengthy post talking up the new book on his blog.

Professional No Limit Hold'em: Volume 1

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thanks for the link

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I see Ed is very optimistic about the book but I wouldnt turn ecstatic about it before seeing it.
I remember Ed wrote similair optimistic comments about NLTAP and well... not only it wasnt ground breaking .. more like misleading I would say.
As both other authors have some real understanding of NL this book has much more chances of being really worthwhile imo. I just wonder how much is there really in "never published zone".. I have my doubts if somebody can come up with solid piece of advice - let it be 2 volumes - which would raise avg player game to the next level.
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my expectations are so high right now

ed says in the article that he started understanding NLH after reading this book, so he was writeing NLHTAP(which is supposed to be the definitive book on the subject) while not even having a good grasp of NLH

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I just wonder how much is there really in "never published zone".. I have my doubts if somebody can come up with solid piece of advice - let it be 2 volumes - which would raise avg player game to the next level.

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QFT, and I look forward to your assessment of this comment after you've digested the Core section in volume 1.

I doubt you'll look at a no-limit hand the same way again.

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What is QFT? I think the abbreviations list needs updating.

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Quoted For Truth.

I still NEED these books. Good to see Ed get excited about the content. I'm ready for my lightbulb to go off so I can start crushing the NL games. 2005 I made good $$ playing 6-max limit. I spent most of 2006 playing 6-max NL games and pretty much broke even for the year. 2007, its time to start making mo $$ again.

Thanks OP for the link.

BB

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I just wonder how much is there really in "never published zone".. I have my doubts if somebody can come up with solid piece of advice - let it be 2 volumes - which would raise avg player game to the next level.

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QFT, and I look forward to your assessment of this comment after you've digested the Core section in volume 1.

I doubt you'll look at a no-limit hand the same way again.

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so this super secret formula has never been discussed before in print or on forums? Im sure something like must have come up at some point before. excuse the inner skeptic, but is there any sort of details u can provide here?

Is this something that say a winning player at the high stakes, maybe someone like Aba20 or Green Plastic may not even know? just curious thats all.

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I just wonder how much is there really in "never published zone".. I have my doubts if somebody can come up with solid piece of advice - let it be 2 volumes - which would raise avg player game to the next level.

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QFT, and I look forward to your assessment of this comment after you've digested the Core section in volume 1.

I doubt you'll look at a no-limit hand the same way again.

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I have seen most of the Core section (unedited) and it is information I have never seen touted before. I think most will be very pleased.

I have already begun adjusting how I play, and I haven't seen the entire book yet.

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Is this going to another one of those books that make my head hurt? Hurry up, I gotta have it!!!

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so this super secret formula has never been discussed before in print or on forums? Im sure something like must have come up at some point before. excuse the inner skeptic, but is there any sort of details u can provide here?

Is this something that say a winning player at the high stakes, maybe someone like Aba20 or Green Plastic may not even know? just curious thats all.

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Naw, there is no "super secret formula." I just feel that if the game is framed a certain way, a lot of beginners and mid-level players can learn faster and avoid several problems that might otherwise cost them a lot of money. There's not much point in big hype. Sorry if I gave that impression. I will put myself on double secret probation. ;-)

Matt

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Matt could u post the Table of Contents for PNLHE before it comes out, so we know what to expect

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Ed's book will attempt to tell us things that would work both in .25-.50 and 25.00-50.00 at the same time?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, I can't wait to see this attempt.

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My guess it's framing poker in terms of 'what do you want to happen', playing ultra exploitatively. But who knows? April is a long time.

I just hope they haven't forgotten the small stakes idea entirely and gone mega theoretical on us. The HOH for cash games is still needing to be published.

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How can a book be made for intermediates, advanced players, be made for .5/1 and 25/50 and then "not be everything to everyone"? It sounds like a sales pitch to me.

That said, it wouldn't have to be a great book to be better than NLHTAP, which was not a great book.

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How can a book be made for intermediates, advanced players, be made for .5/1 and 25/50 and then "not be everything to everyone"? It sounds like a sales pitch to me.

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We live in romantic poker times. People with heart, couurage and intuition wins. There is almost no theory and no systematic way to approach poker problems (at lest there is no such way known to wide public).
If they come up with something which will help in the department the book can be useful for everybody.

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That said, it wouldn't have to be a great book to be better than NLHTAP, which was not a great book.

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I cant imagine anything written by Matt Flynn and Sammy Metha not being way better than NLHTAP.

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Well it's true that NLHTAP was not a great book. It does help you think about the right things while you play. Some of these things might not be obvious to a beginner. Some are common sense to an intermediate player, but the book does help you organize your thinking.

There is a lot of very obvious math in the book, which makes the book smaller than it appears. How many times do you need a page long math formula to tell us to maximize our expectation over the long run? That is not what we need to know. What we need to know is what the probabilities actually are. "If you believe your opponent has you beat 40% of the time here..." Well, yeah, but I need to know how to come up with that belief. If it's just experience, then why do I need the book? I need to know what priority to put opposing concepts into practice, and how to do so. With lots of specific hand examples and specific betting recommendations.

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There is a lot of very obvious math in the book, which makes the book smaller than it appears. How many times do you need a page long math formula to tell us to maximize our expectation over the long run? That is not what we need to know. What we need to know is what the probabilities actually are. "If you believe your opponent has you beat 40% of the time here..." Well, yeah, but I need to know how to come up with that belief. If it's just experience, then why do I need the book? I need to know what priority to put opposing concepts into practice, and how to do so. With lots of specific hand examples and specific betting recommendations.

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That was exactly my sentiment, but you said it better. I probably feel that way because I'm not advanced enough at this point though.

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It does help you think about the right things while you play

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This is not true. The book make you focus on completely unimportant (and often incorrect) concepts while leaving unmentioned things that in fact matter.

Ok I promise its my last rant about NLHTAP this month [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Thank you.

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Any update on when this book will be released?

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Any update on when this book will be released?

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Matt and I are working through the second pass of final edits and hope to be done sometime in the next week or so. After that we'll re-submit to Mason and get together with him on what else, if anything, needs to be done. Depending on what we all come up with, you're probably looking at like June or July. It really depends though. No worries, we'll keep you posted here.

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I cant wait any longer. Im tired of Re reading the same old no limit holdem books we need something new and fresh.

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I cant wait any longer. Im tired of Re reading the same old no limit holdem books we need something new and fresh.

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Says the guy who joined a month ago. Seriously there, pardner, slow down a tad.

That said, I think we're living in poker's golden age. There's more information available, it's easier to get good information, and new players can become good players quicker, than any other time in poker history.

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well atleast i dont salvatate over what other guys post.

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Says the guy who joined a month ago

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Some scientists are now saying that it is possible that there is life outside 2+2. One of the many implications is that it is possible to read poker books even though you aren't active in 2+2 forums, and therefore it is in fact possible to tire of poker books and long for new ones even though you only recently joined 2+2. I'll keep you posted on the many, new developments within this brand new paradigm - especially the mind-boggling idea that some poker players who aren't even registered at 2+2 might not be the uber-donks that 2+2'ers take them to be. You may need to sit down for this one, but some of these bizarre and alien life forms are reported to read poker literature, think about their game and discuss it with their poker playing friends - even debating poker using other forums than this one!

Cheers,

Smurf

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Some scientists are now saying that it is possible that there is life outside 2+2.

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Ha ha. Yeah,right. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Ha ha. Yeah,right. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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They say Doyle Brunson got to be a willing player before 2+2. You can belive that if you want to, but frankly I think it's a lot of nonsense.

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Ha ha. Yeah,right. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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WOW really?? When did they discover this?
Still, it is only a theory, they have yet to prove this.

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Some scientists are now saying that it is possible that there is life outside 2+2.

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Ha ha. Yeah,right. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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WOW really?? When did they discover this?
Still, it is only a theory, they have yet to prove this.

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They also discovered that number of posts doesn't always represent one's experience/skill level. Crazy, right?!

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excellent news !

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Ha ha. Yeah,right. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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WOW really?? When did they discover this?
Still, it is only a theory, they have yet to prove this.

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This is some bad sarcasm

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Some scientists are now saying that it is possible that there is life outside 2+2.

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Ha ha. Yeah,right. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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WOW really?? When did they discover this?
Still, it is only a theory, they have yet to prove this.

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This is some bad sarcasm

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Are you being sarcastic ?

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Mason,

Based on what they've presented to you so far, what can you say your overall impression about the concepts and material is? Sounds like they have some editing to do to make it a quality book, but do you expect that it will cover a lot of stuff not covered in NLHETP and other books, along with just being an overall pleasant surprise?

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Hi gmcarroll33:

I only worked my way through the first third of the book which was just covering fundamentals. I didn't look at any of the "Core Concepts" material, and since the book was returned for major rewriting I went on to other projects. So I can't really answer your question.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Hi gmcarroll33:

I only worked my way through the first third of the book which was just covering fundamentals. I didn't look at any of the "Core Concepts" material, and since the book was returned for major rewriting I went on to other projects. So I can't really answer your question.

Best wishes,
Mason

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I get the feeling from this and other posts that Mason is not too pleased with the book thus far. Perhaps it won't live up to the hype. If the FUNDAMENTALS needed a MAJOR rewrite, the rest of the book is likely to be in just as bad, if not worse, shape and this project could take quite a bit of time.

At least we know they're not rushing to put something out quick that might be fundamentally flawed or subpar.

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Hi kid:

Let me put it this way. In the material I read, there were problems with the writing, not in the concepts, and the book was returned to the author team to solve the writing problems. I also think it's well understood what the writing problems were, and the book is in the process of obtaining the standards we require.

Best wishes,
Mason

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So i guess we wont be seeing this book till end of 2007.

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i think summer 2007 is possible

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Ed said in a recent blog that the writing is done and he is spending most of his time "doing what I hope is the final major editing pass." He also said that "Once the manuscript is finalized, it’s probably another two to three months or so until it is printed and available for purchase."

I have no inside information, but I fully expect to start reading this book about the time I finish reading Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.

I know most people reading this forum don't belive this, but Mason, Ed, Matt and Sunny all want this book to be published just as much as we do.

And they all want it to be as awesome as we want it to be.