Who loves HORSE?
 

Who out there has become more interesting in mixed games like HORSE instead of HE, HE, HE all the time? I have definitely seen a shift at my home game and many more people playing HORSE online, so wanted to find out how prevalent this is.

Also, what's your weakest game in HORSE if you play? Mine would defintely be Stud/8, which is a little funny since Razz is my strongest game. I just can't get used to having to share the pot with the high hand.

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I love HORSE but I suck so much at Razz, it turned me into an overall loser. Can't say much about Stud/8 because I don't know much about it and probably did rather well at it by accident. My best games are Hold'em and Omaha/8.

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I bet Sklansky loves it and wishes more people played it so he can become the richest man alive.

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I love to end the night with a "fun" HORSE sit-n-go. I really enjoy the game for some reason, though I won't play it anywhere near my normal stakes, because I'm not that comfotable at all the games yet. I think my weakest link is O8 - I'm way too nitty, though I guess there's worse faults to have in that game.

Typical lowstakes online O8 hand: I fold the third nut low and maybe some backdoor high draws to a 3-bet with 4 people in the hand, and get shown crap like two pair vs. two pair vs. 5th nut low. Meh.

How to win at Stud H/L:
1. Open-raise with an ace as your door card.
2. Keep betting every street.
3. Profit!

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Horse is OK. I love holdem, stud, and razz. Omaha8 is my worst game, but I at least don't bleed money at it. Stud8 is a lot of fun, and a very sophisticated game (arguably comparable to holdem), but I don't have as much experience as I would like against real serious opponents.

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Btw, the reason why I find Razz so difficult is that I cannot judge the hand values. Initially I thought that an 8-low was a pretty good hand, but then I learned that it is just similar to top pair in Hold'em and so on....not easy to play if you can't even judge if you got a good hand or complete trash.

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Btw, the reason why I find Razz so difficult is that I cannot judge the hand values. Initially I thought that an 8-low was a pretty good hand, but then I learned that it is just similar to top pair in Hold'em and so on....not easy to play if you can't even judge if you got a good hand or complete trash.

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Ok, I think I see why you get in trouble in Razz. Hand values in razz are highly relative, much like holdem. Not mostly static, like in draw. The best way to value your hand is to ask how good your opponent's hole cards would have to be to beat you (or have a good draw against you on earlier streets). There are cases where an 8 is a board lock (ie. the nuts) and times where it isn't worth the plastic the cards are printed on. Thinking about the game in terms of static hand ranks is very counterproductive.

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I hate Stud with a passion. In order of preference and also competence I'd rank the games O8->Razz->Hold'Em->Stud 8->Stud.
I do all right at the very low limits. Haven't tried to move up past 0.50/1.00 yet though.

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Stud and I are NOT friends. Other than that, HORSE and I get along swell.

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I bet Sklansky loves it and wishes more people played it so he can become the richest man alive.

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I bet your wrong. I win.

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I make money at NLHE so I can afford to dabble in games like HORSE. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Horse is OK. I love holdem, stud, and razz. Omaha8 is my worst game, but I at least don't bleed money at it. Stud8 is a lot of fun, and a very sophisticated game (arguably comparable to holdem), but I don't have as much experience as I would like against real serious opponents.

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I am a Omaha 8 fish. Luckily the other fish are fishier than me, and I am often better than the experienced O8 players in my mixed games. Variance?

PS: The new standard is TORSE. Hold'em is so boring.

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PS: The new standard is TORSE. Hold'em is so boring.

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Where's TORSE available?

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PS: The new standard is TORSE. Hold'em is so boring.


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Trust me, you want to talk them into CORSET.

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Trust me, you want to talk them into CORSET.

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C has too much gamble in it for a rotation game IMHO, I prefer to play it Manderine style where I can loose thousands playing $5/point in 20 mins but as a solo game.

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I don't completely suck at anything, but I kinda hate O8 for some reason, although I always see how freaking bad everyone else is playing.

I love Stud8, but I think I might kinda suck at it, but that's also okay since everyone else sucks A LOT in horse games. It's crazy...

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Trust me, you want to talk them into CORSET.

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C has too much gamble in it for a rotation game IMHO, I prefer to play it Manderine style where I can loose thousands playing $5/point in 20 mins but as a solo game.

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C in this case is crazy pineapple.

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Trust me, you want to talk them into CORSET.

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C has too much gamble in it for a rotation game IMHO, I prefer to play it Manderine style where I can loose thousands playing $5/point in 20 mins but as a solo game.

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C in this case is crazy pineapple.

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We almost did that last night, new mix game running 3x/week at Wynn. But the others wanted to keep Hold'em because it doesn't scare dead money off.

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LO8 is probably my weakest game. Ive been playing these sit n gos a lot now and the players are very weak [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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According to legend, I hear Catherine the Great was fond of HORSE.

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I loved it when they first had it on Stars and I was running good. I liked it a lot less when reality kicked in and I realized I was god awful in Stud and below average in Omaha 8. I then realized it would make a lot more sense to just play the games I'm good at instead of punishing myself by cutting my dollar making rate by mixing in my bad games.

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Trust me, you want to talk them into CORSET.

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ooohhhhhh... man I would LOVE this game...

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I think that Stud Hi is still my weakest game, but I actually feel more like a donkey playing Omaha/8. (But it is also one of the more profitable rounds for me in the long run.)

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Love HE, stud, and razz. Hate both split games, and am slightly more clueless in Omaha than in Stud 8.

But frankly, as long as I only like 3 of the 5 games -- I will still vote for playing one of those three all night long rather than rotating. So, don't mind HORSE for a little variety, but I don't "love HORSE" and won't be caught dead suggesting it to a home game group.

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Trust me, you want to talk them into CORSET.

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C has too much gamble in it for a rotation game IMHO, I prefer to play it Manderine style where I can loose thousands playing $5/point in 20 mins but as a solo game.

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C in this case is crazy pineapple.

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We almost did that last night, new mix game running 3x/week at Wynn. But the others wanted to keep Hold'em because it doesn't scare dead money off.

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Felicia and I used to try to get this game going with, shall we say, "mixed" results (-grin-)... though it was mostly a no-go. Glad to see that you seem to have something regular now [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] When is it usually going? (We're going to be out-of-town soon, so we may not make it for a while, but usually when we go to vegas it's a spur of the moment kind of thing anyway, so might as well know just in case [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

~Glenn

Edit: not to completely hijack the thread: love HORSE.

Dealt on one of the card player cruises a few weeks back and Felicia and I managed to get HORSE going almost every night (think only 1 night we couldn't [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

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Dealt on one of the card player cruises a few weeks back and Felicia and I managed to get HORSE going almost every night (think only 1 night we couldn't [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

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That sounds like a blast, how many people were on the cruise? Would you say you've seen a definite upswing in HORSE players in the past couple years?

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Trust me, you want to talk them into CORSET.

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C has too much gamble in it for a rotation game IMHO, I prefer to play it Manderine style where I can loose thousands playing $5/point in 20 mins but as a solo game.

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C in this case is crazy pineapple.

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We almost did that last night, new mix game running 3x/week at Wynn. But the others wanted to keep Hold'em because it doesn't scare dead money off.

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Felicia and I used to try to get this game going with, shall we say, "mixed" results (-grin-)... though it was mostly a no-go. Glad to see that you seem to have something regular now [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] When is it usually going? (We're going to be out-of-town soon, so we may not make it for a while, but usually when we go to vegas it's a spur of the moment kind of thing anyway, so might as well know just in case [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

~Glenn

Edit: not to completely hijack the thread: love HORSE.

Dealt on one of the card player cruises a few weeks back and Felicia and I managed to get HORSE going almost every night (think only 1 night we couldn't [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

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Every night this week so far, probably not tonight but it will run on Friday I expect, please come by - the game needs two more donators [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. On a related note please read my thread in B&M about card room management, its directly related.

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