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BDaws 01-07-2007 08:02 PM

True, I could use some help here.
 
Okay, so I've been reading a couple posts by True. He recommends checking some flops with strong hands after you have reraised to balance the times you check the flops with AK so you don't have to double barrel alot. I think I got his theory right. But does it apply to this hand?

And if so, did I play it correctly?

This was my first orbit at the table. Literally, my second hand.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($415.05)
Button ($546.15)
Hero ($396)
BB ($202.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $14</font>, Button calls $14, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $44</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $30, Button folds.

Flop: ($106) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $65</font>, Hero calls $65.

Turn: ($236) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $125</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $361

Edit: I also realize I should've reraised bigger.

Claunchy 01-07-2007 08:08 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
Looks fine to me.

smellmuth 01-07-2007 08:09 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
looks good.

lassie 01-07-2007 08:10 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
Oh god it's so easy for villain to steal this pot.

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:10 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
why not check/raise and fold to a push. as played u got NO idea if ur beat. lotsa times AT calls pf here and whys he to not think hes good when u check/call. u could def be calling with AKd AQd here and he may think his AT or something is good. c/r flop. as played u got no idea where ur at.

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:11 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
how is this good. he leaves himself absolutely NO way to know where hes at. this is retarded. why reraise preflop if ur not going to even play ur hand post flop?

Jay Riall 01-07-2007 08:11 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
This spot sucks ass. I probably play it the same but I'm not sure if that is any good.

Praetor 01-07-2007 08:11 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
check raising the flop is god awful

Casper05 01-07-2007 08:13 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
If you call with AT here, move down. If villian called with AT, he's not double barrelling here. Looks fine to me, as long as youre firing the flop some too.

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:14 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
ok i wont disagree with you, but can you give some reasoning as to why my rational is wrong

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:15 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
i agree, im not saying i would. but im sure some fish would

Jay Riall 01-07-2007 08:18 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
ok i wont disagree with you, but can you give some reasoning as to why my rational is wrong

[/ QUOTE ]

No worse hands call.

runningirl07 01-07-2007 08:20 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
I think this hand would be much easier to play if you just be the flop. I don't think this is a good spot to check, 10, 9 flops with jj just isn't super strong in a reraised pot. I would always continuation bet this flop and slow down if called. Pick a much drier board and have at least queeens.

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:20 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
i agree with this, i shouldve stated that thats isnt the best play. why not lead this flop? imo thats best

Jay Riall 01-07-2007 08:22 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
All - we aren't slowplaying here...

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:23 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
i think thats clearly obvious by the fact that he thinks his hand isnt good regardless of whether it is or isnt. but not betting this flop is retarded.

Jay Riall 01-07-2007 08:25 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
Move down plz.

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:25 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
quit poker plz.

mattak 01-07-2007 08:26 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
I would be much more willing to check AA here than JJ. I understand OP's intent but this is the wrong hand IMHO to do this with.

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:27 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
sorry, that was very rude of me.

please continue to play poker. u provide me with money=).

Jay Riall 01-07-2007 08:27 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
AA is a much better bet than JJ here since we are value betting vs a lot more hands with AA...

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:27 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I would be much more willing to check AA here than JJ. I understand OP's intent but this is the wrong hand IMHO to do this with.

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Claunchy 01-07-2007 08:29 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
Jay is so right.

If you have AA and lead, stuff like KK/QQ/JJ etc calls, and you make money.

If you have JJ and lead, stuff like AA/KK/QQ either calls or raises, and everything else pretty much folds.

So tell me bigbluffer, why are we betting into a dark tunnel exactly?

BDaws 01-07-2007 08:31 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I would be much more willing to check AA here than JJ. I understand OP's intent but this is the wrong hand IMHO to do this with.

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I would much rather check JJ than AA. I want to bet with AA because there are worse hands that give me action (KK-JJ).

Edit: I read and type slow.

josh_x 01-07-2007 08:37 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
Jay: Move down plz.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Newb: quit poker plz.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Newb: sorry, that was very rude of me.

please continue to play poker. u provide me with money=).

[/ QUOTE ]

HU for rolls?

Jay Riall 01-07-2007 08:38 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Jay: Move down plz.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Newb: quit poker plz.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Newb: sorry, that was very rude of me.

please continue to play poker. u provide me with money=).

[/ QUOTE ]

HU for rolls?

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Why would I want to play 0.10/0.25?

PBJaxx 01-07-2007 08:38 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
how is this good. he leaves himself absolutely NO way to know where hes at. this is retarded. why reraise preflop if ur not going to even play ur hand post flop?

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Do yourself a favor and quit thinking about this stuff, and try to think about +EV

True 01-07-2007 08:39 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
Great spot,

I would prob fold to his flop bet but w/e.

It is very likely villain has a big hand to raise UTG and call an OOP re-raise.

I like just flat calling pf here with JJ tbh.

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:40 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 

straate 01-07-2007 08:40 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
this is terrible. always bet here, never check. do you want to be playing a guessing game for your stack?

True 01-07-2007 08:41 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
also I am pretty sure

"name1name2numbers"

are trolls

Claunchy 01-07-2007 08:42 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
this is terrible. always bet here, never check. do you want to be playing a guessing game for your stack?

[/ QUOTE ]
LOL like he would ever stack off here.

True 01-07-2007 08:42 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
this is terrible. always bet here, never check. do you want to be playing a guessing game for your stack?

[/ QUOTE ]

wahahahaha

the trolls are out in numbers tonight

bigbluffer79 01-07-2007 08:43 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
ROFL ROFL u dont know who straate is do you. ROFL if u cant spot the fish...

True 01-07-2007 08:45 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
ROFL ROFL u dont know who straate is do you. ROFL if u cant spot the fish...

[/ QUOTE ]

dunno, but his advise is retarded

Jay Riall 01-07-2007 08:45 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
ROFL ROFL u dont know who straate is do you. ROFL if u cant spot the fish...

[/ QUOTE ]

ZOMG is straate!!! Let us all bow down to his greatness!

luckychewy 01-07-2007 08:47 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
i would either b/f, b/c, or c/f if he is a nit on that flop since you don't beat 99/tt anymore and nits won't bluff with overs so u can usually get to showdown easily. maybe c/r ai if guy is a maniac. i think c/c is pretty terrible. the vast majority of the time i'm betting tho.

Jay Riall 01-07-2007 08:49 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
i would either b/f, b/c, or c/f if he is a nit on that flop since you don't beat 99/tt anymore and nits won't bluff with overs so u can usually get to showdown easily. maybe c/r ai if guy is a maniac. i think c/c is pretty terrible. the vast majority of the time i'm betting tho.

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And do what if we get called? Just c/f? Doesn't make much sense to me tbh.

BDaws 01-07-2007 08:49 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
[ QUOTE ]
It is very likely villain has a big hand to raise UTG and call an OOP re-raise.

I like just flat calling pf here with JJ tbh.

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Even though it's 4 handed? Plus my squeeze raise size was a tad small and villain is in position.

vvvQ 01-07-2007 08:52 PM

Re: True, I could use some help here.
 
lead the flop, checking is 100% retarded almost always, unless hes the player to take a very large stab at the pot, where i'd shove in vs him, also re-raise more PF, his range could be really wide here PF.
of course i'd probably go broke here but im sure my game is alot different.
your hand is weak but probably good, and you need to protect it from overcarsd/flushdraws/etc etc.
if you feel the player is nitty then bet/fold don't check/call


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