RayBonert
 

I received the following PMs from RayBonert.

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duke,

i want to know what it would take for 2+2 to decide to operate a poker professional server for the purpose of hosting events for the 2+2 membership.

i have all of the software that you would need. in fact i can setup an entire 2p2 site such that the official 2p2 person has total control over accounts and the bank.

i will do this at no charge.

we just completed our first ever pokerbot.com sponsored event today ... described here
http://forum.winholdem.net/wbb/viewtopic.php?t=9230

there were 3 humans and 1 bot. the bot took 2nd place. all of the participants were on ventrilo and they each received a complete set of the server side hand histories (the hh's with all card info).

there is another event scheduled for next week.

i can host your event very easily; just say the word. or ..
i can setup a completely separate ppro server under your control (i.e. 2P2-Atlanta) hosted on my windows box in downtown atlanta.

or if 2p2 publishing wants to pay the $100/month co-location then you guys can control everything - all windows accounts and all ppro accounts.

i really would like the opportunity to help 2p2.

please advise. i can make all of these very easy for you.

ray

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duke,

i want the chance to be the software provider for the 2p2 holdem server:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...c=1#Post8683195

ray

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I think he PMed me because we are talking about having an SMP game.

I told him that I have no clue what he's talking about and I wasn't the the right person to talk about this with. So, he asked me who to talk to about this.

From looking at his other threads, this guy seems to be unable to accept that his software and tourneys aren't very welcome.

I can tell him whatever but was wondering if one of the admins or poker forum mods wanted to handle this.

Re: RayBonert
 

For completeness... the discussion between you and Ray started in this thread ?

Re: RayBonert
 

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For completeness... the discussion between you and Ray started in this thread ?

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I don't know if you could call it a discussion. He and BluffThis! were getting into it so I posted that that forum and thread were not a place to discuss bots, etc. and thanked Ray for the offer (just being polite) but that we'd go with a proven site.

Edit: When I said "we were discussing having an SMP game" I meant other posters and I - not Ray and I. This was my first contact with Ray and I'm definitely opposed to his ideas. Sorry, for any confusion.

Re: RayBonert
 

Please tell him that no one involved with Twoplustwo in any capacity whatsoever wants anything to do with him and would prefer that he never posted here again; especially now his bot-tourney, the reason he was allowed initially to post here out of possible minimal academic interest, has been shown to be a total and utter farce and failed publicity stunt.

You will probably find he will slip links to winholdem-orientated posts in as many threads as possible in your forum, now. It might be worth your while pm-ing him and telling him not to post again, except, at best, in his single existing bot-tourney thread.

Re: RayBonert
 

I thought we all agreed in a prior thread that anytime Ray promotes WinHold'em the link would be removed? This thread in software is filled with links back to his forum. I don't mind him promoting his bot vs bot tournament, as long as he doesn't promote WinHold'em at the same time.

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Re: RayBonert
 

Well it's still continuing.

We planned an SMP forum game for fun and Ray posted it on his website and one of the people won, which isn't a problem in itself but I guess they were talking about botting at the final table. It's being talked about in this thread.
Thoughts?
Should I delete some of Ray's links? I guess a link or two to explain his position would be reasonable but you guys said he's been doing this a lot.
This is particularly annoying to us recreational players that wanted to just have a fun little tourney.

Re: RayBonert
 

He is scum of the lowest order and has no agenda for being here other than to try to sell his scum-sucking bot s/w.

PLEASE delete all and every link to or mention of winholdem.

Even in his primary bot tourney thread, from now on.

Re: RayBonert
 

1. Those links are spam
2. Mike told him in the other RayBornert thread that he could only post in his Software forum bot competition thread. A condition which he broke in SMP.
3. Mike hates him.

Rduke, if you want to ban him, go ahead.

Re: RayBonert
 

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3. Mike hates him.


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Does this show?

Re: RayBonert
 

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Well it's still continuing.

We planned an SMP forum game for fun and Ray posted it on his website and one of the people won, which isn't a problem in itself but I guess they were talking about botting at the final table. It's being talked about in this thread.
Thoughts?
Should I delete some of Ray's links? I guess a link or two to explain his position would be reasonable but you guys said he's been doing this a lot.
This is particularly annoying to us recreational players that wanted to just have a fun little tourney.

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fwiw... RDuke, I think you handled the situation very well!

Re: RayBonert
 

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Well it's still continuing.

We planned an SMP forum game for fun and Ray posted it on his website and one of the people won, which isn't a problem in itself but I guess they were talking about botting at the final table. It's being talked about in this thread.
Thoughts?
Should I delete some of Ray's links? I guess a link or two to explain his position would be reasonable but you guys said he's been doing this a lot.
This is particularly annoying to us recreational players that wanted to just have a fun little tourney.

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fwiw... RDuke, I think you handled the situation very well!

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Re: RayBonert
 

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I thought we all agreed in a prior thread that anytime Ray promotes WinHold'em the link would be removed? This thread in software is filled with links back to his forum. I don't mind him promoting his bot vs bot tournament, as long as he doesn't promote WinHold'em at the same time.

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This is frustrating me to no end, If someone doesnt remove the links to the above thread on Software I'm going to ban the little F*cker so his spam stops once and for all.. why hasn't anyone else done anything about this? I haven't taken any action because once I kicked him out of B&M its not my territory - but this is really getting out of hand.

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Re: RayBonert
 

I just had a quick look at that thread and Notified two posts that included links to WH. Which means that no one else has Notified ...

Re: RayBonert
 

Looks like spam to me...

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Looks like spam to me...

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Bye Bye Ray....

Re: RayBonert
 

I removed the few links that Ryan didn't kill. Sorry I wasn't keeping up with this.
-Sam

Re: RayBonert
 

He's back as RIIT.

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Mike,

I do not wish to start a fight with you.
http://www.twoplustwo.com/terms.html
Please honor these terms and conditions.

I have about 60 posts with this new account and I invite you to cite any post that violates the 2+2 terms.

I like the subject of pokerbots versus humans and I'm grateful to 2+2 for finally allowing the subject to be discussed openly and honestly where members are not afraid of being banned for speaking their mind.

I think the recent policy of less censorship is a good thing for 2+2

People love free speech and they hate censorship.

RIIT


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I don't trust myself to think objectively when that [censored] is involved.

Do I ban him or not?

Re: RayBonert
 

He's just looking for an opportunity to shill and promote bots. I'd just can him.

Re: RayBonert
 

Thanks.

In the meantime, our PM correspondence:

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Mike,

I simply think it would be nice if 2+2 would allow me to openly talk about the 2007 PBWC since it is the first time that bots will play in real world tournament conditions for real money.

Yes bots play online everyday for real money but there is no way to prove that their owners didn't step in and help. And of course there is no way to prove that a human didn't get software help either.

If you guys don't want me to openly discuss it then I'd simply like to understand why. Is this a money issue where you feel like I'm somehow getting free advertising for a tournament? If so then would you guys be interested in a cut of the event fees in exchange for open promotion here on 2+2?

Here is the schedule of event fees:
http://www.pokerbot.com/pbwc/tournament.html

Did you threaten to ban the UofA guy for posting about their freeroll in Vancouver?

RIIT


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As far as I know, the UofA guy is an academic who is working on an intellectually challenging project. He's not a sordid, under a stone character like you who is trying to make money on false pretences out of a particular greedy and gullible, if relatively miniscule, public audience.

I would prefer that you crawled back under your stone, voluntarily. If you want me to recommend to the Administrators that you be banned "on sight" in future, I will; and very happily.

If you can't stay away from Twoplustwo, (presumably because your own forum is uninteresting), I would prefer that you were "read, only".


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Re: RayBonert
 

Perfect reply