$200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

I know that the answer to these is almost always "no!", but... CO is 16/10/3, with WTSD of 9, over a ~500 hand sample. SB is 21/14/2, but my notes say "leads weak". Call due to possibility of combo draw pushing?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $199
CO: $247
Button: $188.23
SB: $240.55
Hero: $397.62

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $8</font>, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($24, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $20</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $60</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $239</font>, Hero?

Re: $200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

Definitely call. Could be a combo draw, could be 77, even if it's JT you have a ton of outs. Only hand you don't want to see is 99 obv.

Wait, SB folded right?

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Wait, SB folded right?

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Oops, chopped hand history in wrong place. Yes, he folded.

Re: $200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

I go broke here always.

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I go broke here always.

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Yeh, me too. Turns out I was 2:1 favourite, but my new year's resolution is to fold more, and I was sitting there trying to work out what kind of range he'd do this with... and came up with a blank.

Turns out he had TT, which I can live with.

Re: $200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

never fold here

Re: $200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

If you fold here, you can team up with soultwister, although this is not a easy spot. I`ll put CO often enough on an overpair.
Doesn`t really matter what he has in the specific hand, because in general you are winnning more by calling...

Re: $200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

My god folding is ridiculous.

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My god folding is ridiculous.

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OK OK!

I did call though, I am just looking for places for my new years resolution to come :]

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My god folding is ridiculous.

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OK OK!

I did call though, I am just looking for places for my new years resolution to come :]

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but did u win the hand?

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but did u win the hand?

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He had tens, who cares, and I guess tens makes sense as a hand here.

Re: $200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

call quick. CO can have overplayed AA/KK a lot, as well as 77, Maybe TT in addition to JT.

Most importantly, you're only calling about 160 to win 340 in what will be the 500 pot. If you know he's got straight, its a call.

Re: $200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

ahahahacall

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I go broke here always.

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Yeh, me too. Turns out I was 2:1 favourite, but my new year's resolution is to fold more, and I was sitting there trying to work out what kind of range he'd do this with... and came up with a blank.

Turns out he had TT, which I can live with.

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Yeah, you are completely misapplying your new year's resolution. If you folded AA here, fine, that would be a way to live up to your resolution.

But a resolution to never ever ever fold sets would work out better for you if you really think this hand is even remotely a candidate when there are 75 billion two-pair combinations and strong draws and one lower set that could be pushing, and your equity even against the uebernuts of J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is still pretty strong.

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Yeah, you are completely misapplying your new year's resolution. If you folded AA here, fine, that would be a way to live up to your resolution.

But a resolution to never ever ever fold sets would work out better for you if you really think this hand is even remotely a candidate when there are 75 billion two-pair combinations and strong draws and one lower set that could be pushing, and your equity even against the uebernuts of J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is still pretty strong.

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Righto. I have folded a set on the flop twice in my life, and I was wrong once, so I don't want you to get the impression that I do this a lot :]

Re: $200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

instacall allin...how do you make money by folding sets on drawy boards like this where its so easy for villain to be shoving a variety of combo draws, 2pair hands, overpairs and bottom set, which is a much larger portion of his range than 99 and a made straight

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instacall allin...how do you make money by folding sets on drawy boards like this where its so easy for villain to be shoving a variety of combo draws, 2pair hands, overpairs and bottom set, which is a much larger portion of his range than 99 and a made straight

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Some of these replies are bordering on the offensive. I DO NOT FOLD SETS. I CALLED IN THIS CASE!

Re: $200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

scary spot but cant fold .....way to many possibilities out there....tt aa 77 flush draw etc...

hand a very similar hand yesterday.....my line was to get it all in on the flop ...but did it by check raising to get the guy in the middle out

http://www.pokerhand.org/?716796

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GOTTA DUMP IT MAN [censored] THE NAYSAYERS THEY ARE FISH DUMP DAT [censored]

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so u spend your time playing mid pairs.....hitting sets....and folding them?

doesnt seem + ev

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GOTTA DUMP IT MAN [censored] THE NAYSAYERS THEY ARE FISH DUMP DAT [censored]

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Don't make me cry. Could someone lock this thread please? :]

Re: $200 NL - Fold 2nd Set on the Flop?
 

OP HIS RANGE IS JT OR 99 YOU GOTTA FOLD ITS -EV TO CALL DONT LISTEN TO THESE DONKS

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GOTTA DUMP IT MAN [censored] THE NAYSAYERS THEY ARE FISH DUMP DAT [censored]

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You should love this thread!

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LOL, will my head explode if I check that thread?