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DP388 12-28-2006 01:49 AM

AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
I'm about 7th out of 20 left in a $9 360 max on Stars. Villian has been pretty tight, not super nit or anything, but pretty ABC. My image is also tight and villian seems to be paying attention.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (6 handed)

Button (t23413)
SB (t21387)
BB (t20107)
UTG (t21005)
MP (t6615)
Hero (t24782)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t3600</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>,

Hero?

SuperUberBob 12-28-2006 02:18 AM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
Well, I'm not folding. Stack is a bit too deep to shove preflop. Calling and seeing a flop is reasonable enough.

shaundeeb 12-28-2006 02:23 AM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
in this part 9/360 there were some supernits folding here is totally fine. you can steal as much as you want later.

DP388 12-28-2006 10:02 AM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
Yeah, this is the one from last night. You weren't at this table yet, but the villian was godcomplex1 who was at the final two tables with you.

shaundeeb 12-28-2006 10:59 AM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
god surprised me a few hands he was super tight and 2 hands he raised very very marginal hadns in EP once was Q8s with 10bb stack he 3bb 8 handed UTG+1 and it was my BB. I give him credit for knowing I respect that raise a lot and fold and rarely flat call. Another time he raised like A3o 6 handed UTG. He was super tight a lot but randomly did a steal from EP. But, even with that info I stand by a fold. That tourney is easy to run over if you watched me play final 3 tables you would notice that. That is why I took it down I won every pot they gave me the chance to win.

jackaaron 12-28-2006 11:32 AM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
Seems to me a fold is right. Seems as if you really are wanting to only hit a Q to feel safe here, and you have no guarantee that you'll have position in the hand (with others to act behind you). I think you would get much better situations for yourself than this one.

Coweratron 12-28-2006 11:32 AM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
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Well, I'm not folding. Stack is a bit too deep to shove preflop. Calling and seeing a flop is reasonable enough.

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I can agree here. We dont have enough information (or at least not enough was given) to think about a re-steal but I am not folding AQ here. Given that you will have position after the flop I also would flat call.

DP388 12-28-2006 11:38 AM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
[ QUOTE ]
That tourney is easy to run over if you watched me play final 3 tables you would notice that. That is why I took it down I won every pot they gave me the chance to win.

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Yeah, definitely. It was pretty easy to pick who I was shoving into when it was pushbot time. I had just folded AJ to a raise the hand before for this reason. AQ is just a little more tempting.

nath 12-28-2006 11:42 AM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
I shove most of the time but I don't play $9s

BriPlay 12-28-2006 01:03 PM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
id call
that will get his attention plenty.
see flop and use your position to help decide next move

DP388 12-29-2006 04:28 PM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
[ QUOTE ]
id call
that will get his attention plenty.
see flop and use your position to help decide next move

[/ QUOTE ]

I starting leaning towards this after reading a few posts and emailing some friends. But then I replied to a friend with this and I think folding is best. Email below:

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My first reaction to the hand was "raise, I have AQ 6 handed". Then I thought some more and realized that any raise that defines my hand would commit about half my stack. I'm not a big fan of that. I also don't like to call short handed either. Sooooo...I said if I was gonna raise, I might as well push and put maximum pressure. Maybe I get him to fold a mid PP.

BUT, after thinking about the hand more, I think a push is horrible here. It's an overbet and I'm only going to get called by a hand that crushes me or some group of hands I'm flipping with. I'm never called by a hand that I'm ahead of. I'm also not in a position stack wise where I need to take a coin flip.

I think a fold is actually okay. Maybe a little weak, but the table was pretty tight and easy to run over, so no need to take away my advantage by potentially reducing my stack size.

I think a call is best though. I have position and I'm pretty sure that if this guy misses, he's likely checking to me anyway. So I can potentially win by hitting the flop or by missing the flop. The only problem is that I'm not crazy about most flops. If he does c-bet, I have no idea where I stand and I'm going to have to risk a lot to find out. Or I can look at the bet size and try to make a solid read...and potentially fold top pair if I need to. That would be a tough laydown, but given my stack size I might have to.

Let's say I do call the $3600. There is now 600+1200+antes (60x6=360) + 7200 = 9360. Let's say I hit my A or Q only and he leads for about 7K. If I raise "to see where I'm at", it has to be for my whole stack. Wow, that really sucks. If I call the flop, what am I supposed to do on the turn?

Basically, by calling pre-flop I'm hoping that
A. It's rags and he checks.
B. It's rags and he bets (which sux, but is an easy decision).
C. I hit an Ace with rags and he checks.
D. Hit a Queen with rags and he checks.
E. I flop some sort of monster.

In all of these scenarios except B&amp; E, I'm also hoping that his check means weakness and not a trap.

That leaves a lot of flops that and plays that he can make that that kill my hand. Examples of some [censored] flops that also hit me (i.e. he can hit sets, straights, etc.).

AK9
AJT
QJT
QJx
QTx

Meh...I think I'm leaning toward folding pre-flop now.

Fold &gt; call &gt; push &gt; raise

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HappyOD 12-29-2006 07:27 PM

Re: AQ 6 handed vs. tight utg raiser
 
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in this part 9/360 there were some supernits folding here is totally fine. you can steal as much as you want later.

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New thought for me. Thanks.


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