Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

This was a $10 + $1 MTT on Full Tilt and the two players I'm in this hand with are playing pretty loose. Blinds 30/60.

(I called a raise with 9-7o which I know I shouldn't make a habit of - sometimes I just do stuff without thinking - consider it a misclick [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])

The real decision is on the flop. Gamble here?

LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
MP1: $4455
MP2: $1320
Hero (CO): $2945
BTN: $3080
SB: $1450
BB: $1225
UTG: $2950
UTG+1: $8700

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif ($0, 8 players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $210</font>, UTG+1 calls $210, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls $210, BTN folds, SB calls $180, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 5http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 3http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($810, 4 players)
<font color="red">SB bets all in for $1,240</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises all in to $8,490</font>, <font color="blue">Hero ???</font>

Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

how big is the field.

Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

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how big is the field.

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jesus christ this is as important as what he's wearing

if you dont understand why leave this forum forever you have like 500 posts wtf

and for the love of god fold

Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

Between 200-300, and I was wearing a pink t-shirt at the time.

Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

snap-fold

Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

I laughed out loud reading evg's post...

You've got 4 outs - do the math...

Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

Did the four(eight?) hit on the turn or river?

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I laughed out loud reading evg's post...

You've got 8 outs - do the math...

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FYP

Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

I guess I'm a donk given I didn't count the 4 for the outs - but even so with 8 outs (assuming they're good), you still don't have the odds...

Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

The pot gives you approximately 1.75 : 1 odds. This means you need to have better than 36.4% chance of winning the hand to make the call right. If you think you have only 8 outs, you have only around 28%-30% (I don't have software to calculate the exact number here) chance to hit it. So fold.

If you have something like a pair the side pot will make the calculation more complicated but in this case I don't think you need to consider that.

On the other hand, if the SB had equal or more chips compared to you then your pot odds would have improved to 1: 2.3 and you would only need better than 30.3% chance which would make the call/fold a very marginal decision. I would still fold though.

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I laughed out loud reading evg's post...

You've most likely got less than 8 outs - do the math and consider what both opponents would plausibly have on that flop.

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FYP and then some.

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Nice hand converter though. Is 97 the new JTs and why wasn't I told? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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how big is the field.

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jesus christ this is as important as what he's wearing

if you dont understand why leave this forum forever you have like 500 posts wtf

and for the love of god fold

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awesome post

Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

Ok, of course you're all right - sometimes I don't really think and just feel like gambling.

I made the call and it turned out to be "correct" as they turned over 8-5o and A-6o, giving me 13 outs. I guess I got what I deserved when the turn and river were both Queens.

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Ok, of course you're all right - sometimes I don't really think and just feel like gambling.

I made the call and it turned out to be "correct" as they turned over 8-5o and A-6o, giving me 13 outs. I guess I got what I deserved when the turn and river were both Queens.

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so in a pot raised 3.5x, we end up allin with 97o, 85o and A6o? I love the internets.

Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

Grunch:

Fold preflop, fold flop.

You are very lucky you had lots of outs here. Porbably 95% of the time you are drawing to a straight and even then, the potisn't giving you enough to call with only 8 outs.


1.78:1 to call, you have 8 outs in the most likely best case scenario, so you would need to be getting ~ 5.75:1 to make a call correct.

Fold.

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1.78:1 to call, so you would need to be getting ~ 5.75:1 to make a call correct.
Fold.

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Re: Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?
 

I don't understand the preflop play, you have 50 bb's, ...
no need to panic...
typical end of tourney w 50 bb's and a call with 97...
(cliffnotes)
Flop T97, (giving the guy your about to stack a nice hand with his pocket tens) you then exit tourney, spending the next 2 hours wondering why you spewed 50 bb's w 97o...

Unless you are an amazing talent, I dun't know how this hand is a call PF with the action ahead of you.

Postflop... you should throw the hand away, it's value is minimal with that action, 4 outs are the best case scenario...
Make a rule to not make plays without thinking about it, put opponents on a range ...consider position, blinds etc... one bad play is all it takes to hit the exit...