Pokes Poker cashouts
 

I know a lot of you have money with Pokes.

I called futurebet (the company allegedly responsible for banking) and they claim they handle software only for Pokes. Pokes obviously claims that is a lie and they owe them a huge some of money for cashouts.

How hard can it be to prove what happened to over 1 million dollars?

Its not like futurebet can honestly expect to deny holding the money, keep it, and expect nothing to happen.

It looks like we are all going to lose our $ there.

Can anyone shed any light on the situation? Is futurebet a financially secure company? Anyone?

Thx

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Link to lengthy discussion thread in NVG

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Just got off the phone with Futurebet's upper management. I am going to quote exactly what Ron from Futurebet told me and I will hold him accountable on this forum for everything he claims.

1. He explains that Pokes grew extremely fast, unable to process the mass amounts of cashouts that were being requested in a short span of time. Perhaps due to legislation.

2. He claims that futurebet WILL take 100% responsibility and will pay Pokes' outstanding debt to players if Pokes is unable to fullfill their obligations.

3. He claims Pokes has plans to pay out in the next 2 weeks. If not Futurebet will step in and settle.

4. He told me they are meeting on Tuesday and that he will call me after that meeting and inform me as to when to expect to have ALL players paid.

5. He told me that they will be settled by the first of the year.

6. I told him I was going to keep a running thread on 2plus2 following each of these claims.

I plan to email this to him and if things happen as he says it will go a long way in helping futurebet's image.

I'm feeling kind of like a sucker right now for all I know he was calling me from a beach in Mexico but for now I'm somewhat optimistic.

Thanks,

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Good work. This is giving me hope!

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True, pokes players were high winning players on average, and built up their accounts. However, this is irrelevant, as we were winning OTHER PLAYERS money. All money should be accounted for.

While Pokes is ultimately to blame b/c they are who we played with, Futurebet is withholding the money from Pokes and are downright thieves at this point.

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Nice work dangerfish, keep us posted.

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if you want the scoop email me at Joe@zagarise.com

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If you have somthing to add... why don't you just post it?

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If you have somthing to add... why don't you just post it?


I actually made a comment about this guy and how fishy it sounded. I went ahead and spoke to him last night. He is actually legit and was able to explain a lot of things to me. Not much of it was good news unfortunately. Like I said I plan to speak with Ron on Tuesday evening or Wed and I will press him hard on the points I outlined. If things are not progressing like he says, I will have done enough research by then ( including calling ongame and getting to the bottom of who actually holds our funds) avoid any bs he may try and confront me with. Needless to say, it is an ugly process but I am going to make it my mission to get to the bottom of it.

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The problems existed before legislation. I'm sure the legislation didn't help, but it isn't the root of the problem.

Futurebet is not just a software provider. They were an intermediary between Ongame and Pokes. Ongame licensed Futurebet and Futurebet sublicensed Pokes. According to Pokes, money (rake, winnings) passed from Ongame to Futurebet to Pokes. Futurebet did not pass along that money as they should have.

It seems bizarre that Futurebet will step in and "handle Pokes' financial obligations," since the root of the problem, according to Pokes, is that Futurebet isn't honoring its financial obligations.

Someone is lying here, that's for sure.

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My understanding of Joe's "deal" is offering extra rakeback or something on his site. Which is of no use to me, cause I've basically lost my entire roll. Starting with the $16k that BOSpoker (Betonsports) will never give back to me after their whole ordeal with the US. Then $4k from Jetsetpoker when that site shut down 2 months ago, and now $15k from PokesPoker. Online poker has become depressing. Someone find me some good news soon please. I'd rather be spending my time playing than looking for ways to get my money back from these sites. And is help at pokespoker com not returning emails anymore?

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I actually made a comment about this guy and how fishy it sounded. I went ahead and spoke to him last night. He is actually legit and was able to explain a lot of things to me.

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This does not explain why, if he has something to say, it can't be posted here...

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i haven't had a pokes account, swore off futurebet after the bayou fiasco, but these two threads raised a couple questions that i didnt see answered.

1. are the affiliates getting paid for their client accounts?

2 why do the affiliates keep doing business with unreliable sites?

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so what are the statements right now ? I am waiting for witdhrawal for 2 months already , was having some emails earlier with Nancy Ross but i got not reply past 2 weeks

Regards

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The problems existed before legislation. I'm sure the legislation didn't help, but it isn't the root of the problem.

Futurebet is not just a software provider. They were an intermediary between Ongame and Pokes. Ongame licensed Futurebet and Futurebet sublicensed Pokes. According to Pokes, money (rake, winnings) passed from Ongame to Futurebet to Pokes. Futurebet did not pass along that money as they should have.

It seems bizarre that Futurebet will step in and "handle Pokes' financial obligations," since the root of the problem, according to Pokes, is that Futurebet isn't honoring its financial obligations.

Someone is lying here, that's for sure.


Yes someone is. What you say appears to be 100% correct. Basically pokes poker had a lot of winning players. What this does is create a huge imbalance between the money they hold from deposits and what Futurebet owes them from the winnings. I think some of the sites had lesser problems then pokes mainly because they had a balance of winning and losing players and therefore did not need to get big payments from FB. I have no doubt now that the problem is with futurebet not Pokes. That is not to say I'm not pissed off about them letting me start playing there when they knew of these problems.

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I actually made a comment about this guy and how fishy it sounded. I went ahead and spoke to him last night. He is actually legit and was able to explain a lot of things to me.

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This does not explain why, if he has something to say, it can't be posted here...

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Yeah, it's all fine and good that some random poster "talked to him", but since he won't tell us what was discussed, it seems even fishier.

There's some vague talk of a rakeback deal, which shouldn't be allowed anywhere but the affiliate forums. Warrior needs to come clean about what he's offering, as opposed to spamming these threads with his email address.

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I actually made a comment about this guy and how fishy it sounded. I went ahead and spoke to him last night. He is actually legit and was able to explain a lot of things to me.

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This does not explain why, if he has something to say, it can't be posted here...

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Yeah, it's all fine and good that some random poster "talked to him", but since he won't tell us what was discussed, it seems even fishier.

There's some vague talk of a rakeback deal, which shouldn't be allowed anywhere but the affiliate forums. Warrior needs to come clean about what he's offering, as opposed to spamming these threads with his email address.

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It's nothing you'd (or me) be interested in

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Way too much of these threads are entering "grey" areas.

But the fact is, is there any real hope that the rest of us who have waited months will recieve our pending withdrawals?? Will pokespoker or futurebet will acutally honour our money??

Has anyone recieved payment from pokes since that Dec 8th "partial payment" email they sent out? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Yeah, it's all fine and good that some random poster "talked to him", but since he won't tell us what was discussed, it seems even fishier.

There's some vague talk of a rakeback deal, which shouldn't be allowed anywhere but the affiliate forums. Warrior needs to come clean about what he's offering, as opposed to spamming these threads with his email address.

I'm the "random" poster. I'm just another player trying to get my money back from Pokes. I have spoken to Pokes, Futurebet and as mentioned to the "warrior" trying to piece this puzzle together. I will call ongame today and try and get their side of the story. The information I got from talking to warrior is nothing secretive. I don't think he wants to be quoted but it was nothing more than confirming my suspicion that futurebet is the main problem. Ive got no agenda here apart from recuperating my cash. I've been a poster here for years so no reason to question my integrety.

I'll post an update on any new news I uncover.

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Nice. Great to see someone making the right calls. I haven't gotten anywhere with the support or help@pokespoker.com.

Best I've heard so far was (recieved today):

"PokesPoker are planning on honoring their withdrawals. They were planning on making the payouts by December 08,2006. They have been making some payouts to players in queue. I believe that they may set another date in which they plan to clear all of the pending withdrawals."

Harsh, but I'm sure that's mostly whitewash and old news at this point.

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^^^

Thats lovely. Pokes has been 'planning on honoring our withdrawls' all along. The problem is, how can they do that when futurebet is stealing our money?

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My understanding of Joe's "deal" is offering extra rakeback or something on his site. Which is of no use to me, cause I've basically lost my entire roll. Starting with the $16k that BOSpoker (Betonsports) will never give back to me after their whole ordeal with the US. Then $4k from Jetsetpoker when that site shut down 2 months ago, and now $15k from PokesPoker. Online poker has become depressing. Someone find me some good news soon please. I'd rather be spending my time playing than looking for ways to get my money back from these sites. And is help at pokespoker com not returning emails anymore?

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That really does suck, sorry to hear youve been getting ripped off so much. Im down $1175 on pokes, cashout made around 10th october. i better see it again!

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http://www.casinomeister.com/pitchab...vember2006.php

Casinomeister resolved many issues with Pokes in the last month. If you have not done so go PAB.

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Any new updates on this pokes poker cashout situation? Are we better off cancelling the cashouts and try to loose it to people on the same network on another site such as FCP?

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Any new updates on this pokes poker cashout situation? Are we better off cancelling the cashouts and try to loose it to people on the same network on another site such as FCP?

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Chip dumping is a good way to get both accounts locked.

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Any new updates on this pokes poker cashout situation? Are we better off cancelling the cashouts and try to loose it to people on the same network on another site such as FCP?

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Chip dumping is a good way to get both accounts locked.

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Yeah, don't go and do something stupid and give them a reason to keep your money.

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I've been a poster here for years so no reason to question my integrety.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to question your integrity. What I was questioning was the fact that "Warrior" has 7 posts, 6 of which are just him spamming his email address. If he's going to "offer help", he should at least tell us what he's offering rather than sending out his email address repeatedly. The way he went about it looks very fishy (even if it's totally legit).

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Any response from Ron, Dangerfish?

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Regarding a response from Ron.


He called me today and as expected he was unbelievable nice and swore we would get back by the end of next week. I had planned to go on the attack but when I asked him who had the money he started off on a tangent, making excuses for Pokes that lasted 15mins. I don't believe a word he says but calling him a liar--as tempting as is was-- I decided might not be in our best interest at this point.

I'll update with anything new I hear.

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Good work on keeping in contact at least. Was he still promising the 1st? He was making excuses for Pokes, not FB?

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Guys, I got money stuck in Pokes like the most of you. But at this point after reading this and a few other threads, does anyone realistically think there is a chance that we'll get our money? If not, or most of you are like me thinking there might be a slight chance but probably not then let's file a law suite together, we got a better shot while they are still in business than wait until they go bankrupt to get our money.

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any updates

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Nope, haven't heard a thing from pokes since I cashed out 2006-10-21. No reply on e-mails and no money.

I would support a lawsuit. Maybe they'll act then. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

EDIT: Oh, this was my first post ever. I've been a long time reader but a fairly new member. And now I'm not a virgin anymore...

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I spoke to futurebet 3 days ago and he assured me everyone would be paid by the jan 1st. I really did not know what to say but told him I would be calling him as in a week when my account was still empty. I will call him early next week.

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So, I would say 1st is the final date. If we don't get our money then, we should start with the lawsuit. Count me in for it.

PS - Hmm... They say that hope dies last. It is true. I still hope that when we all come back from our New Year's parties, we will see our money. Happy New Year everyone, I wish us all happy end with Pokes issue.

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Haha. The 1st. Riiiight.

Quoting 'Humble Bellows' from the Crimson Pirate:

"I believes it, when I sees it"

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Everyone will get paid by the 1st!??!?! For some reason I find that hard to believe. I hope it's true, but last I heard cashouts were delayed indefinately.

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Futurebet is completely full of [censored].

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Haha. The 1st. Riiiight.

Quoting 'Humble Bellows' from the Crimson Pirate:

"I believes it, when I sees it"

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I didn't say I believe it. I hope for it. And I want to drop all hope after 1st and start the lawsuit.

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Have about $4,200 pending since October. I'm in for any legal action if we don't get our money by early January.