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Enrique 12-12-2006 04:20 PM

Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t19248)
Hero (t40379)
MP1 (t23883)
MP2 (t18506)
MP3 (t6158)
CO (t7928)
Button (t42481)
SB (t32192)
BB (t11773)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to t3600, 4 folds, Button calls t3600, 2 folds. Pot has t9675.

Flop: (t7800) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks. Pot has t9675 chips.

Turn: (t7800) Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t3600</font>,Button raises to t7200, Hero raises to t36704, Button calls t29504.

River: (t83083) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t83083

The raise pre-flop was because I had double the chips of anyone else at the table (except the guy that called).
The check on the flop was because I wanted to trap him, since I felt my top pair was good enough, also trying to gauge if my opponent had a strong hand or not.
The turn bet was to get action. When he raised, I immediately thought he had AQ or KQ and decided to go all-in. I didn't think long, which was a mistake. The mistake was not thinking harder on the decision, although I am not sure, going all-in is a mistake there. If he has AQ or KQ he calls me and I go to first place in chips, and I only call I don't win as much chips as I could have. I think AQ, KQ are more likely hands than 88, 66, QQ, TT, 9J. He could also have been raising because of a club draw or even a straight draw. My play seems very risky, but I am not sure it is a mistake, a second after I got called I thought I made a mistake, but after analyzing it more I am not so sure.

T_Mac 12-12-2006 04:31 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
bad beat

RichC. 12-12-2006 04:33 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
looks fairly standard to me

HerbieGRD 12-12-2006 04:34 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
variance

Well_TiMeD 12-12-2006 04:34 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
I dont think I like pushing. imo KQ/AQ plays it much slower here than this. Your average player wants to get to a showdown here and many tiems migth reraise preflop w AQ. so i think 88 66 j9 show up here a lot more than KQ/Aq. call and check river then reevaluate

Jamma 12-12-2006 04:39 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
Any reads? Whats your image? How did you two get your stacks?

Enrique 12-12-2006 05:05 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
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Any reads? Whats your image? How did you two get your stacks?

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I had been only about three rounds of hands in that table.
I don't know how he got to his stack, but he had just lost 10K chips two hands prior to this one. He hadn't played many hands.
I had just played two hands and won both of them without a showdown. I don't think either of us had a read on each other after only three (or maybe two) rounds of hands.

durkahdurkah 12-12-2006 05:08 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
I have a feeling this is a thinly veiled BBV post

Enrique 12-12-2006 05:14 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I have a feeling this is a thinly veiled BBV post

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I don't consider it a BBV post because I wanted a discussion on whether my decision was correct or not.
I can see plenty of arguments on just calling the turn.
I wanted to hear if people thought my reraise all in was a correct play.
The mini-raise makes it a little less likely that he has KQ or AQ, since he would probably shove it in right there.
The mini-raise might indicate extra strength (three of a kind or catching a straight). Or it might be a bluff raise with a flush draw or str8 and flush draw.

I don't really feel like I got a bad beat. I feel like I might have made a mistake.

Well_TiMeD 12-12-2006 05:22 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
I agree with OP. Dont jump on him immediatly, just because he posts this doesnt necesarily mean hes lookin for bad beat sympathy. If you look at the hand, top two really isnt that strong here. I think you made a good post and its good your reevaluating your play. I dotn think its standard at all to push this turn, in fact like i mentioned before i think its borderline bad without any reads. Seems like an obvious smooth call, your not giving anything away whereas if you push theres more hands that call you dominating you than otherwise.

durkahdurkah 12-12-2006 05:49 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I have a feeling this is a thinly veiled BBV post

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I don't consider it a BBV post because I wanted a discussion on whether my decision was correct or not.
I can see plenty of arguments on just calling the turn.
I wanted to hear if people thought my reraise all in was a correct play.
The mini-raise makes it a little less likely that he has KQ or AQ, since he would probably shove it in right there.
The mini-raise might indicate extra strength (three of a kind or catching a straight). Or it might be a bluff raise with a flush draw or str8 and flush draw.

I don't really feel like I got a bad beat. I feel like I might have made a mistake.

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Fair enough. Just seemed like a bad beat post to me, thats all.

Please note, I'm making this post having absolutely no clue what any of the suits are. Damn filters.

Preflop: You could probably just fold, but raising is defensible. At the very least it's not a huge mistake.

Flop: Have you been c-betting? If so, bet this, it covers up your other c-bets where you whiffed.

Turn: Your original bet is fine as a probe given how you've played it thus far. Villian played this like he had a made hand on the flop, set/straight/top pair, maybe a draw (again, I can't see suits). I'd like to say I'd find a fold here, but I'm not sure if I can get off of top two. You could call the minraise to try and keep the pot small, but I don't think is going to work well OOP. Nevertheless, I think just calling that bet is probably the best crappy play out of a whole series of crappy plays.

Enrique 12-12-2006 06:08 PM

Re: Big Hand between two monster stacks.
 
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Please note, I'm making this post having absolutely no clue what any of the suits are. Damn filters.

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The flop was rainbow and the turn put a second club out there.

I agree that the pre-flop raise might have been a mistake, specially considering I was in early position.

The check on the flop was probably a mistake if they watch me play often, but since they had no image on me (I had played one or two hands in that table), then the check doesn't seem so much as a mistake. I guess betting would have given me more information on his strength than just checking.

Turn, I agree that I probably could not lay down top two pair.


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