$22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

Limper is passive 30/2 in this tourney. I'm sorry for the lack of converter. Maybe that STT coder guy could make up a working converter for Party? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Blinds(50/100)

Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 6: DerMue41 ( 1880 )
Seat 7: altinlala ( 1540 )
Seat 9: Hero ( 1890 )
Seat 10: yakovlev3 ( 2570 )
Seat 1: lexumy ( 4130 )
Seat 4: DRQueens ( 4170 )
Seat 5: Peromann ( 1970 )
Seat 3: nikev ( 1850 )
Trny: 30683556 Level: 3

Dealt to Hero [ 9s 9h ]
DRQueens folds
Peromann folds
DerMue41 folds
altinlala calls [100]

Hero ?

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

I call

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

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I call

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Even of the question was simple the answers dont have to be [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] What's your reasoning?

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

Because of the inherent threat of a reraise behind you it seems too thin to just call and play for set value.

I dunno, if you think that a raise to 250 will shut down the field behind you this would be a better option. Also, this move would gain extra strength if villain has a low flop aggression and is capable laying down to your c-b if he missed.

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

oh sorry, just though you wanted a quick answer. Well I'm calling for set value its 1/19th of your stack, there are also a few flops where you have overs. I dont like raising here because of the limper and any cbetting after the flop will make him pretty much pot-comitted. So that has too much risk imo. Folding is too weak 99 is a strong hand + you hve position

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

I might be very wrong here but shouldnt we/villain have atleast 20xBBs to call for set value?

I'm always lost with this...

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

yeah but 99 has more then set value to it, you could flop an overpair. I think I'm folding 88 here.

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

how about TT?

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

same as 99 for me. JJ I'm raising. Dont know what everyone thinks about that?

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

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JJ I'm raising.

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I posted a similar JJ hand yesterday and most people agreed it to be a raise to t350 in this spot.

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

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I might be very wrong here but shouldnt we/villain have atleast 20xBBs to call for set value?

I'm always lost with this...

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I don't think this is necessarily true. 20x seems a little high to me.

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

Yeah I think that's pretty standard. My question was more about limping TT really.

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

t400. use ninja if reraised. if called push most flops.

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

I raise to 350 to isolate.

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

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yeah but 99 has more then set value to it, you could flop an overpair. I think I'm folding 88 here.

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You really fold 88 in this spot? Wow, I guess I'm a loose maniac donkey. I raise to 400 with 99 and probably call with 88. I would not even consider folding 66+ there.

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

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yeah but 99 has more then set value to it, you could flop an overpair. I think I'm folding 88 here.

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You really fold 88 in this spot? Wow, I guess I'm a loose maniac donkey. I raise to 400 with 99 and probably call with 88. I would not even consider folding 66+ there.

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or im a massive nit. I'm just trying to conserve as many chips for push/fold at this point. I just think 88 is not strong enough.

Re: $22s - Simple PF question. 99 after a limper with 19xBBs.
 

If you limp TT you'll be making money off me, because I'll assume my 88 is still good and push over you. On the other hand if I don't have 88 but QJo then you may have needlessly left me in the pot. And I think the latter situation would happen more than the former (though you'll make more money off me with my 88 than I'll make if I hit my QJ).

I think TT is too good a hand to want to play multiway. I'd raise from any position. Early position I'd raise 3xbb and fold to a push. Later position I'd raise 4-5BB and call a push.