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MelchyBeau 11-25-2006 01:32 PM

Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
FYI Mitch Romney is a devout Mormon and a former bishop of the Mormon church. Do you think he actually has a decent shot at the presidency, or could his religion be the downfall of his run

TomCollins 11-25-2006 02:43 PM

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FYI Mitch Romney is a devout Mormon and a former bishop of the Mormon church. Do you think he actually has a decent shot at the presidency, or could his religion be the downfall of his run

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Mitch Romney, and Milt Romney.... looks like Mitt has a lot of competition even among mormons!

natedogg 11-25-2006 03:54 PM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
Mormons believe that Native Americans are descended from a group of jews who came to North America in 600 B.C. and became so wicked and evil that god cursed them with dark skin.

That is only the tip of the iceberg wrt to their ridiculous worldview. Who is going to vote for that for president? Believe me if he gets the nomination it will all come out. He'll be confronted about every ridiculous aspect of mormonism and have to address why he subscribes to that kind of nonsense.

natedogg

Flip_Dog 11-25-2006 04:06 PM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
Natedogg has it right. If he gets the nomination, ridiculous mormon beliefs will be fodder for the late night talk shows. I doubt he even gets the nomination because of his religion.

lozen 11-25-2006 04:22 PM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
Yeah its not like the current leaders religuos backers or beliefs have hurt him?

Most of the candidates will want to distance themselves from the Religous right or as i acll them Hypocrits

madnak 11-25-2006 09:32 PM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
Let's hope not.

Then again, what's a president without horrifying and ludicrous religious beliefs? It's unheard of.

[censored] 11-25-2006 09:55 PM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
so if its going to hurt him when running for president why didn't it hurt him when running for Gov in the liberal state of Mass?

Brainwalter 11-25-2006 10:14 PM

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so if its going to hurt him when running for president why didn't it hurt him when running for Gov in the liberal state of Mass?

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People aren't saying his religion will turn off liberal voters. They're more saying his Mormonism will turn off evangelical Christian voters.

Poofler 11-25-2006 10:15 PM

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so if its going to hurt him when running for president why didn't it hurt him when running for Gov in the liberal state of Mass?

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You said it yourself. Mass is liberal. And seemingly less devout than the battleground Republican states that Romney needs in the primaries. States with a whole of lot Baptists etc. that aren't buddy buddy with Mormonism.

Percentage of Americans attending a Christian church and given weekend, by State.

canis582 11-26-2006 12:28 AM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
what if he converts to atheism?

proofler, is mormonism considered non christian on your map...utah is at 3.1 %

PokerBob 11-26-2006 12:29 AM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
nope.

Poofler 11-26-2006 01:14 AM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
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what if he converts to atheism?

proofler, is mormonism considered non christian on your map...utah is at 3.1 %

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Christian is considered Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox in that map. No Mormons.

whiskeytown 11-26-2006 12:22 PM

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so if its going to hurt him when running for president why didn't it hurt him when running for Gov in the liberal state of Mass?

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People aren't saying his religion will turn off liberal voters. They're more saying his Mormonism will turn off evangelical Christian voters.

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right - evangelical Christians consider Mormons a cult - non-trintarian - extra messanic leadership - entangling financial structures and secret rituals -

the base won't go for it.

rb

**RivEredAgaiN** 11-28-2006 12:47 PM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
Not that its a huge deal, but I was a member of the Mormon Chuch untilt he age of 15. Unless you learn that the Indians were Jews cursed by god in the latter years of seminary, I doubt this belief. I also once read that Mormon's believe that if you go to heaven you get your own planet to be god over.

There really aren't a lot of differences between Mormons and other Protestants. Mormons are a Christian faith and most use the King James Version of the Bible.

I don't pretend to be an expert on the church. These are just my experiences with it.

4 High 11-28-2006 01:06 PM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
Sam Brownback is about to announce hes running. The second he does, Romneys chances of winning the nomination drop to zero.

samjjones 11-28-2006 02:38 PM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
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Mormons believe that Native Americans are descended from a group of jews who came to North America in 600 B.C. and became so wicked and evil that god cursed them with dark skin.

That is only the tip of the iceberg wrt to their ridiculous worldview. Who is going to vote for that for president? Believe me if he gets the nomination it will all come out. He'll be confronted about every ridiculous aspect of mormonism and have to address why he subscribes to that kind of nonsense.

natedogg

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natedogg - Great point. Clearly this is more ridiculous than believing that a Supreme Being housed part of itself in flesh, was birthed by a virgin, and then was sacrificed to atone for all of the world's sins.

MayorHerb 11-28-2006 03:51 PM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
The Senate Majority Leader is a Mormon.

Harry Reid.

Tom1975 11-28-2006 05:18 PM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
I would say yes, judging by our current President.

Edit: Oops, missed the second 'm' when I read the subject the first time.

Copernicus 11-29-2006 02:19 AM

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The Senate Majority Leader is a Mormon.

Harry Reid.

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Elected in a Western state with a significant Mormon population, not a national election.

BCPVP 11-29-2006 02:31 AM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
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Mormons believe that Native Americans are descended from a group of jews who came to North America in 600 B.C. and became so wicked and evil that god cursed them with dark skin.

That is only the tip of the iceberg wrt to their ridiculous worldview. Who is going to vote for that for president? Believe me if he gets the nomination it will all come out. He'll be confronted about every ridiculous aspect of mormonism and have to address why he subscribes to that kind of nonsense.

natedogg

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natedogg - Great point. Clearly this is more ridiculous than believing that a Supreme Being housed part of itself in flesh, was birthed by a virgin, and then was sacrificed to atone for all of the world's sins.

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You don't see a slightly racist undertone in that mormon belief? (assuming it is; it sounds farfetched)

Copernicus 11-29-2006 02:43 AM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
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Mormons believe that Native Americans are descended from a group of jews who came to North America in 600 B.C. and became so wicked and evil that god cursed them with dark skin.

That is only the tip of the iceberg wrt to their ridiculous worldview. Who is going to vote for that for president? Believe me if he gets the nomination it will all come out. He'll be confronted about every ridiculous aspect of mormonism and have to address why he subscribes to that kind of nonsense.

natedogg

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natedogg - Great point. Clearly this is more ridiculous than believing that a Supreme Being housed part of itself in flesh, was birthed by a virgin, and then was sacrificed to atone for all of the world's sins.

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It doesnt matter that they are both ridiculous. Those who believe the Christian myths outnumber those who believe the Mormon myths (to the extent they differ) in sufficient quantities to ensure his defeat.

MJC1977 11-29-2006 03:27 AM

Re: Does a devout mormon have a chance to become president
 
I live in a small town in Utah, and one of the reasons we choose to moved here from Vegas was due to the great family spirit and neighborly regard provided by the 85% LDS community.

That being said, as a christian non-mormon I would never vote for Romney in the primary here or General election do to my concern over Salt Lakes influence on his choices for staff and federal appointments.

In fact I would vote for a Dem in the general election before casting a ballot for him.

This being stated on for Senate I have voted for both Reid and Hatch in the past with 0 regret.

madnak 11-29-2006 02:15 PM

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Not that its a huge deal, but I was a member of the Mormon Chuch untilt he age of 15. Unless you learn that the Indians were Jews cursed by god in the latter years of seminary, I doubt this belief. I also once read that Mormon's believe that if you go to heaven you get your own planet to be god over.

There really aren't a lot of differences between Mormons and other Protestants. Mormons are a Christian faith and most use the King James Version of the Bible.

I don't pretend to be an expert on the church. These are just my experiences with it.

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I grew up as a Mormon in Salt Lake, and you should definitely have studied your own religion a bit more thoroughly. Did you even read the D&C?

Yes, statements like these are oversimplifications. But they're still "basically" true.


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