made a big mistake in this hand
 

Villain was passive in position preflop, but 3-bet me a lot oop and also limp-raised me sometimes, since I am very aggro pre. Post villain is tricky and aggro.

Stacks are about even at t1500.

Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the sb.
Hero posts sb of t10.
<font color="red">Hero raises to t60</font>, villain calls.
Flop: (pot is t120)
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Villain checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t80</font>

This was a major error and I immediately realized it after the hand.

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

whats the problem?

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

Check and let him catch a boat. Or even better, he might bet for you the whole way with nothing or a smaller pocket pair. That's my thinking anyway.

Lee

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

Like lbiars said, let him catch something. You essentially flopped the nuts. And if he somehow does happen to have a 7, it is the only way you maybe dont go broke. But I'm going broke on this hand.

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

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Check and let him catch a boat. Or even better, he might bet for you the whole way with nothing or a smaller pocket pair. That's my thinking anyway.

Lee

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Bingo.

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

I would't call this a big mistake, i would't even call this a mistake. If you both have been very aggro, and you've been raising alot pre, then he might think you are bluffing, and try to steal the pot. The only thing that can scare him is a very unlikely 7, og a PP.

Check-raising him or calling him down, then betting river would not be a better option IMO.

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

ok, i guess the players I'm playing are just really bad. Here is their thought process on this flop:

He can't have a 7, if I pair up one of my cards I will have a full house and go allin. So I should call any bet on the flop and turn.

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

Very funny acidca, I just played this hand and thought about this thread and how to extract the most. Villain may have called me if I pushed all-in on river, but I just wanted a call and take control of the tourny.


Full Tilt Poker Game #1288141762: $33 + $1.50 Heads Up Sit &amp; Go (8990669), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:19:54 ET - 2006/11/22
Seat 1: Hero (1,285)
Seat 2: Villain (1,715)
Hero posts the small blind of 20
Villain posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Ad]
Hero calls 20
Villain raises to 120
Hero calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Qs Qd Qh]
Villain checks
Hero checks
*** TURN *** [Qs Qd Qh] [Tc]
Villain bets 80
Hero calls 80
*** RIVER *** [Qs Qd Qh Tc] [Ts]
Villain bets 120
Hero raises to 700
Villain calls 580
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero shows [As Ad] (a full house, Queens full of Aces)
Villain mucks
Hero wins the pot (1,800) with a full house, Queens full of Aces
The blinds are now 25/50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,800 | Rake 0
Board: [Qs Qd Qh Tc Ts]
Seat 1: Hero (small blind) showed [As Ad] and won (1,800) with a full house, Queens full of Aces
Seat 2: Villain (big blind) mucked [Ah 8h] - a full house, Queens full of Tens

PS: what is a good hand converter to use ? I did this cut &amp; paste by hand.

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/

Here you go.

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

Incidentally, since I like to keep a quick pace in my HU sng's, I often make a quick bet, they immediately fold, and I'll ask myself "Why the hell did I bet that?"

Lee

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

Anyone who says check shouldn't play higher than 100$

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

I assume you say that because it's obviously a "tricky" check and any decent player would be suspicious. However, you can't say you wouldn't call value bets all the way down with KJ if a K hits the turn. This is not a hand where you're likely to end it, so why not try and get paid off a little?

I think you're more likely to get paid off incrementally on the turn and river if you check the flop, than induce a bluff or call on the flop by betting. The only thing you're risking is if he has a lower pocket pair and a high scare card comes.

I'm a big proponent of continuating (a word?) my preflop raise when I hit a big flop (a set for example), but if the flop is too big and they're most likely not calling with 90% of their hands, I like to let them catch up a little and make a few dollars.

Lee

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

Yea they'll call value bets w/ KJ if they hit the turn...But they'll also call a bet on the flop. UP TO THE POT!!! Then check the turn and they'll come out w/ 12x the blind and you can smooth raise. Have to risk winning nothing in order to win a big pot

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

You're making a major assumption in thinking most opponents will call the flop with KJ (I wouldn't in most cases), but even if they do, they won't call with JT, K3, Q8, T9 or other marginal preflop hands that have a chance to hit if you give them a free card. Plus, they might call the turn on a chase and might call you down with K hi on the river if you're value betting appropriately. I think you're going for the kill here when it's unlikely to work, and in the process giving up chips you could have won if everything didn't happen exactly like you wanted it to. You need too many things to happen for your play to work- you need them to make a bad flop call AND catch the turn while in my scenario, they might not need to catch anything, but even if they do you get paid off somewhat.

Lee

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

"Post villain is tricky and aggro."...the play is to bet sir. Clearly situational and if thats the situation, Bet everyday and twice on Sundays

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

Checking and betting both seem pretty ok to me given read. If hes passive I would probably be in favor of checking.

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

In the very similar hand I played, listed half way down the thread, I believe I got paid because I checked the flop.

I dont think I would have gotten a call if I had bet the flop nor do I think Villain would have called if I had raised him on the turn. He finally had a hand when all the cards were out and I won a big pot.

Aggro &amp; tricky players make their money on dangerous draw heavy boards. These flops we are discussing here are so clear cut ... you've flopped the essential nuts with no draws. I think you make more in the long run if you check a flop like this.

Re: made a big mistake in this hand
 

Youve changed my mind actually, checking seems to give villains more oppurtunity to take a call to show down or bluff line.