$10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

I aspire to be the mike l. of stud/8.

More than 95% of the time, I'll chuck a dog like this on third street. The limper is unknown, but his limping with a Ten, shall we say, inspired me. The bring-in is tilting and has bought in for $11k or so, apparently to let us know that he really knows how to play poker or something.

HORSE - 7 Card Stud High-Low ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in
Seat 5: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (1.60 SB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (1.80 BB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (3.80 BB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

River - (5.80 BB)

Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___checks

Total pot: (5.80 BB)

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

I think you need to work this backwards. If calling fourth and fifth is a good idea, I'm OK with limping third.

I'm going to need some convincing though.

Sixth and the river are fine.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

This is awful. Why would you limp with 779 when there is already a limper with a T. Don't you think he probably has split tens or a better concealed pair?

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

I can understand your wanting to get involved with a marginal hand against a potential steamer, but this hand is not marginal in this spot - it's unplayable because of the ten over card: you're not in good shape against any of the hands he might have limped with, such as split tens or two suited babies in the hole, especially if he had an 8 or an ace. Split sevens with a big kicker would be much better but still quite a gamble - if the bi has any three low cards, then you put yourself in a very bad situation having a 2nd best high hand. With any pair in my hand, I look for excuses not to play. At least your cards were fully live, you closed the action and might win a big pot from the steamer if you got lucky.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

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I think you need to work this backwards. If calling fourth and fifth is a good idea, I'm OK with limping third.

I'm going to need some convincing though.

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I'm gonna need a lot of it. Yeah, third is OK if calling fifth unimproved is OK...but I don't get how you get to point B from point A.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

If I had 778 I would play here. If I had 779 I would have clicked my "fold" box as soon as someone else entered the pot.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

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If I had 779 I would have clicked my "fold" box as soon as someone else entered the pot.

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I usually would too. I had a momentary inspiration.

If I told you that the limper had (A7)T rainbow, would your responses change?

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

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If I had 779 I would have clicked my "fold" box as soon as someone else entered the pot.

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I usually would too. I had a momentary inspiration.

If I told you that the limper had (A7)T rainbow, would your responses change?

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I think the problem is that you mentioned he was an unknown, so he could really have anything. Since he's playing $10/$20 I wouldn't think he's a complete moran. Perhaps I tend to overestimate my opponents' starting hands, so I might put him on suited babies or a T in the hole. Whatever he's got, it must either be a raise/fold situation given the remaining crappy door cards.

At any rate, I suppose there's nothing wrong with playing a hand on a whim if you having a feeling about the villain here and think you can outplay him on the later streets. It's just going to be near impossible to know where you stand and could only make uncomfortable calls til 6th where you made 2 pair against his completely uncoordinated board.

Then again if your hand gets shown down, there's the whole metagame issue which could payoff down the road.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

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Since he's playing $10/$20 I wouldn't think he's a complete moran.

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He's probably not a moron. I think a true moron would have difficulty operating the software, and probably wouldn't have $500 in discretionary income. But the fact that someone is playing $10/20 doesn't in any way mean that he's a decent player. I think that most folks who post here started with some seed money and built up a bankroll which allows them to play at some higher level. Most folks who play poker don't operate like that. They have some discretionary income which they put on some site, and when that's gone, they put more money on that site. For some, that money adds up to thousands of dollars a year. I can think of a few people who I figure have career losses in six figures at Canterbury Park. I think one guy probably lost around $100k a year for a while. Can he afford it? Absolutely.

Anyway, I somehow had this revelation that the limper sucks at stud/8. I will confess that I sometimes have an inflated view of my abilities, but between this guy and the bring-in, I thought that I could maybe squeeze a profit out of this dog. Passing might have been the better option, but this isn't exactly the kind of hand that I have trouble getting away from on later streets.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

Wow! Canterbury Park must be a goldmine.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

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If I had 779 I would have clicked my "fold" box as soon as someone else entered the pot.

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I usually would too. I had a momentary inspiration.

If I told you that the limper had (A7)T rainbow, would your responses change?

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Results oriented. Anyway, you are only slightly ahead of that hand, and you have to worry about bi. With all the high cards out, bi could have 3 low cards and a low card and a pair. He is probably playing any reasonable low draw, and his low draw should be very live.

The fact that villain limped with a T indicates he may be a moron. However, you kind of have to assume split tens, two low cards and a 3-flush, a concealed pair probably higher than T, three high suited cards probably connected, or rolled up tens.


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Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

I'm not convinced that this is a profitable situation, even with a horrendous player in the pot. You have a very weak high hand, and the only way you can make a low is by catching 4 perfect cards. I would just fold.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

Once I got there (probably high on coke riding on a hang glider), I would bet the river.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

Hard to know what to make out of this hand. If it were played on my kitchen table, I would advise turning the nine over, turning the seven up, and raising 3rd street.

Since you didn't switch cards, and you called instead of raising, I have to assume that you thought seat 8 was a bad player. If you raise a nine behind a ten, and the ten is sentient, he might bail out, leaving you with the pot.

Even more curiously, you let the deuce on your left see a free 4th street. This leads me to believe that you are a genius, and here's why: If I were playing a 779 (note the use of the subjunctive), I would raise with it on 3rd in a futile attempt to get heads up with seat 8. This would fail, of course, and seat 4, sensing a pot brewing, would stay in, rivering a wheel. But you don't raise, you call, and seat 4 drops out of his own free __ing will, allowing you to be heads up with your targeted seat 8.

Ni han, sir. I can only assume that your two pair scooped.

mike i? mike i? Isn't he the guy they call the "Andy B of hold em?"

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

Ask Vehn, bicyclekick, Schneids, worm33, etc.

Re: $10/20 stud/8 (HORSE)--Limping with a Nine in the Door
 

3rd isnt that bad but I really dont like your call on 5th. If he's that bad that you felt it necessary to play this hand I would definitely bet 7th..